Right to bear...AK-47s?

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 9/21/2004, 10:56 am

hpdfk wrote:Using Mike Turner as Pathos really hits home, but I have to disagree. Keeping on par with terrorists and criminals is the government's job, not a citizen's. If there's a criminal running loose in my neighborhood, I'm going to call the police, not match his Ak-47 with a bazooka.

It's not the government's job. It's yours.

The police take an average of 11 minutes to respond to a crime in progress call. Eleven minutes.

Also, consider the fact that the police may be the threatening party. The bottom line is that a badge doesn't make you honest. In fact i'm more liable to NOT trust somebody once he tells me he's a cop.

Also, superbombs are a part of an arms race that has yet to happen. Gun control is not an arms race. I'm competing with degenerates and america's enemies to see who has the bigger gun. Some people who feel like they need protection are perfectly content with mace.

And some people want a gun. How come you're right and they're not?

And why do people need to aggressively protect themselves? Install a bulgular alarm in your house if you're concerned about your safety. It's the safer and more reasonable option.

True story coming up. A preacher and his family are sitting down to dinner in their home when the doorbell rings. Their young daughter goes to answer it and it's two men fundraising or some such. They are invited in and then they reveal themselves to be armed criminals. They tie everybody up, rape all the women and shoot the family members in the back. Only one survives.

An alarm would not have helped them. Being armed and prepared might have.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/21/2004, 10:57 am

I AM ME wrote:My question then is how can some of you people be for restricting marijuana access, but not guns? You use the exact same argument, if criminals or people in general want something they'll get it, making it illegal just makes it harder to control.

Dude, im not for restricting it at all. I live in BC for godsakes. :lol:

We actually have a marijuana cafe.. I think perhaps people arent all for gun control is because either: they use their own guns responsibly or whatever. The old line "It Could Never happen to ME" comes into play alot in this thread.

Korzic · Post by **Korzic** » 9/21/2004, 11:14 am

mosaik wrote:
hpdfk wrote:An alarm would not have helped them. Being armed and prepared might have.

Because everytime the doorbell rings you expect armed criminals. A gun wouldn't have helped in this situation either. Don't be absurd.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 9/21/2004, 12:01 pm

How do you know? How can you say that for sure?

You can't. You have no idea how the situation might have played out had somebody in the family been armed. Sure it may have gone down exactly the same, but it also could have been prevented.

Lots of crime is prevented because of guns, you know.

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 9/21/2004, 1:47 pm

Of course it might have been prevented. If the preacher could get to his gun or sneak to it, he may have prevented some of that or all. That's crazy. That's like fighting a way and just telling the other side to run instead of fighting back. I'm sure that will work.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 9/21/2004, 2:04 pm

mosaik wrote:How do you know? How can you say that for sure?

You can't. You have no idea how the situation might have played out had somebody in the family been armed. Sure it may have gone down exactly the same, but it also could have been prevented.

Lots of crime is prevented because of guns, you know.

That may be true but whats the likely hood of the preacher keeping a loaded firearm in his house? If so, is it in his general vicinity or is he carrying it?

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 9/21/2004, 2:39 pm

It could be anywhere, but what if it was in a desk drawer or somewhere nearby. It doesn't have to be strapped to you for protection.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 9/21/2004, 3:49 pm

What kind of irresponsible preacher would leave a loaded firearm in a desk drawer, with kids in the house no less?

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 9/21/2004, 4:06 pm

I AM ME wrote:My question then is how can some of you people be for restricting marijuana access, but not guns? You use the exact same argument, if criminals or people in general want something they'll get it, making it illegal just makes it harder to control.

if you legalize pot, it's much harder to control then having it illegal. you only need soil, seeds, and water to have your own garden.

with a gun you need to have your background checked, you need ammo (something kids can't buy), you need to register the gun, and in terms of keeping it concealed, you need a license for that too.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/21/2004, 7:39 pm

And also on the topic of it being a Preacher, is it not an Immortal Sin to Kill? "Thou Shalt Not Kill"..I mean if he dedicated his life to prayer and the Lord, do you really think he'd kill someone else? Even if he had a gun, the chance of him getting it would have been almost impossible. :\

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 9/21/2004, 9:02 pm

That's his own personal choice, but the gun may have helped him. What good are your beliefs when you're dead?

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/21/2004, 9:05 pm

Yeah but if he's all religious He'd probably die for them, and live an Afterlife or whatever. if he's that religious he wont care so much about death as much as going to Heaven and all that.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 9/21/2004, 9:06 pm

Just because you believe in something doesn't make it true. For all we know his life of morals and beliefs in God and Heaven were a waste.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/21/2004, 9:11 pm

But it would be True to him. He devoted his entire life to believing that was the truth. Have some respect for what he's believed in. For godsakes, He's dead. And why is "Truth" such a huge deal anyways. If he based his life happily around whatever he believed in, and lived in such a way harmoniously, why would that be a waste?

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 9/21/2004, 9:27 pm

Well it would be a waste to risk your entire family because of God and your religion, when under the circumstances I'm sure God would be understanding of the situation since he is an all-knowing sympathetic being.

(sorry I'm tired and the right words arent coming out so this is my argument in the simplest form)

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 9/21/2004, 10:08 pm

Killing in self defense is not a sin, I'm sure his love of his family would probably supercede his willingness to die. I geuss it just depends on his convictions. If it was me, I'd kill em.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 9/21/2004, 10:53 pm

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 9/22/2004, 1:33 am

is it just me or was just about every post on this page nuts?

Armed criminals breaking into a preists home, raping the women, and killing everyone? Marijuana = Bad, Guns = Good? Anarchism? Priests killing in a movie like plot?.........My head just can't wrap around how some people think.

For the record, Alarm's do help in almost all cases, and guns if anything would greatly complicate the matter. Burglers ussually are not murderers and are morel likely to choose freedom and an easier target then go on a rampage.

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 9/22/2004, 1:36 am

Before Chris and DOug used to make a lot of sence, now they seem to use crazy ass, situations that woudl almost never happen to prove their point that we all need to overthrow the government and start shootin'.

Shame on you man

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 9/22/2004, 1:40 am

Bandalero wrote:
I AM ME wrote:My question then is how can some of you people be for restricting marijuana access, but not guns? You use the exact same argument, if criminals or people in general want something they'll get it, making it illegal just makes it harder to control.

if you legalize pot, it's much harder to control then having it illegal. you only need soil, seeds, and water to have your own garden.

with a gun you need to have your background checked, you need ammo (something kids can't buy), you need to register the gun, and in terms of keeping it concealed, you need a license for that too.

It would be the smae thing as alcohol, therefore children would not have acess to it (at least not more then they already do), we would have better access of what was going into our marijuana, if it's not an underground thing it's less taboo, and we obviously would have more power over it.

Your argument was that all you need is soil, seeds, and water. Guess what all people need now is soil, seeds, and water. Whether it's legal or not people are going to do it. And to be honest it's not much worse then alcohol.

I would say that alcohol is much more dangerous to the public and also more addictive then marijuana. Not to mention Nicotine is an extremely addictive drug, and people who smoke have much larger health risks.