You still didn't tell me how Moore can get away with all of that without being sued. Also, you show no proof behind your numbers other than saying "I talk to protesters and 70% of them don't have a clue what they're talking about." Unless you've talked to every single one, that doesn't work.
Also simply because only 5% of the world has the capacity to understand one of the most complex mathematical equations to ever exist, doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't allowed to make an attempt. The same applies to politics.
Anyways, a protester doesn't need to be a political science buff to protest. If he sees on the news that one of his friends died in a war based on lies, then he doesn't need to know anything more than that to want to go to an anti-war demonstration. It's his right, and no one can say otherwise. To say that only the educated can protest is a step backwards for democracy
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mosaik wrote:MICHAEL MOORE SUCKS.
/truth
if you guys are going to support him couldn't you please stop calling him brilliant? he's not brilliant. he is funny, but not brilliant funny, and he does not know jack shit about politics.
I don't think he's brilliant, Noam Chomsky is brilliant, but he makes pathetic films, while Moore makes excellent films. As a pure film maker Moore has talent. And let's face it, for the average person, Moore's movies are a step up on the channal 5 news.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Korzic wrote:J-Neli wrote:Finally, we all agree that Moore's tactics are unfair, and have discussed them at length, including many other sites than the ones you've listed. There are two things though I will bring up for you to ponder, since it really isn't on topic. 1. Moore uses 3 sets of lawyers and fact checkers from various credited sources, including the New Yorker. How could so many people have missed so many lies? 2. If Moore has lied, why hasn't he been sued by the many groups/people who he has supposedly lied about?
Personally I think Moore is a great movie maker and at least is trying to educate the masses, or at least spark some sort of flame from wthin.
Its called Freedom of Speech. He is not a great movie maker. He's a good propagandist. I wouldn't call them lies, I'll call them misrepresentations of the truth.
just like bush didn't lie about the war?
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
more proof that America is turning into New Rome. They're falling in the same ways aswell.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Korzic wrote:Health care yes. Yes we're more liberal than the US... probably not as much as Canada... but it really depends where you go. Some places are more conservative than others as with any place. Sydney of course is better than all the other cities
Australia is definetly not as liberal as canada. Would you call a country who BANNED Gay marriage to be liberal? Australia did. Even American hasnt banned it.[yet]
sinead
J-Neli wrote:mosaik wrote:MICHAEL MOORE SUCKS.
/truth
if you guys are going to support him couldn't you please stop calling him brilliant? he's not brilliant. he is funny, but not brilliant funny, and he does not know jack shit about politics.
I don't think he's brilliant, Noam Chomsky is brilliant, but he makes pathetic films, while Moore makes excellent films. As a pure film maker Moore has talent. And let's face it, for the average person, Moore's movies are a step up on the channal 5 news.
haha i don't like chomsky either
but i will agree that the movies have some value.
and they are funny.
Sine wrote:Korzic wrote:Health care yes. Yes we're more liberal than the US... probably not as much as Canada... but it really depends where you go. Some places are more conservative than others as with any place. Sydney of course is better than all the other cities
Australia is definetly not as liberal as canada. Would you call a country who BANNED Gay marriage to be liberal? Australia did. Even American hasnt banned it.[yet]
Since I live here... i would say we are liberal. Since I have also spent a great deal of time in the US and Canada. I do believe I have some authority on which to make that comment.
i guess soon enough i'll be able to find out for myself, and after living their for a year i would be able to speak with authority
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
what the hell? did he say that at the convention tonight?
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
I think I read something earlier about how the only RNC protest footage getting shown on US tv is the violent stuff. Is that true or did I misread it? I haven't seen any violent protests shown on the news here, just lots of footage of the nice peaceful peoples.
Open your eyes to nights and days, you close them up and float away
and somehow inbetween you've got to master lying to yourself
you back the cause, get out of school, you get a job, the job gets you
and somehow every day you end up serving somebody else
now if that ain't panic that you're feeling, then you damn well better start
you can drive it into that head of yours with the hammer in your heart.
And it's alriiiiiiiight now, take the world and make it yours again.
and somehow inbetween you've got to master lying to yourself
you back the cause, get out of school, you get a job, the job gets you
and somehow every day you end up serving somebody else
now if that ain't panic that you're feeling, then you damn well better start
you can drive it into that head of yours with the hammer in your heart.
And it's alriiiiiiiight now, take the world and make it yours again.
i've seen a few ass kickings.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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Korzic wrote:Sine wrote:Korzic wrote:Health care yes. Yes we're more liberal than the US... probably not as much as Canada... but it really depends where you go. Some places are more conservative than others as with any place. Sydney of course is better than all the other cities
Australia is definetly not as liberal as canada. Would you call a country who BANNED Gay marriage to be liberal? Australia did. Even American hasnt banned it.[yet]
Since I live here... i would say we are liberal. Since I have also spent a great deal of time in the US and Canada. I do believe I have some authority on which to make that comment.
Apparently not Liberal enough to allow homosexual people equal rights. 39 of the 46 seats voting on the bill voted yes to ban gay marriage. Yeah, thats super duper liberal.
sinead
a country can be liberal and still ban gay marriages. Gay marriages is just one aspect of many that make up liberalism.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
wow, bushed sucked ass last night. worst speech writers.....eva!
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
I had better things to do than watch him struggle through a speeech. I'll just watch the Daily Show, and I'm sure Jon Stewart will help point out all the finer points of Bush's speech.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Jon Stewart is hilarious
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Soozy wrote:I think I read something earlier about how the only RNC protest footage getting shown on US tv is the violent stuff. Is that true or did I misread it? I haven't seen any violent protests shown on the news here, just lots of footage of the nice peaceful peoples.
There were alot of peaceful protest here. There were also alot of people getting out of hand. There were 1000 arrest on Tuesday night alone
I am glad it is over and everything is somewhat back to normal around here.
I feel love, I feel a power. It comes to me in the darkest hour. And I want to feel it again
Teach the young people how to think, not what to think-Sidney Sugarman
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Peace and Love
Gail E.