Things you might not know about history.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 7/17/2004, 12:25 am

J-Neli wrote:
Bandalero wrote:
Anti-racism is the greatest gift to the world by the US.

Throughout the world, from South Africa to Northern Ireland, movements of oppressed people continue to use tactics and words borrowed from our abolitionist and civil rights movements.

Anti-communists meetings in east germany were well known to have begun in the singing of 'we shall overcome'.

Iranians used nonviolent methods borrowed from Thoreau and M.L.K.Jr. to overthrow their hated shah.

On Ho CHi Minh's desk in Hanoi on the day he died was a biography of John Brown.

The ideas that inspired the students in Tienanmen Square come from Lincon's lips.

these ideas are celebrated around the world, and well known, yet here in the states we can't quote John Brown from memory. try to look for a quote from John Brown in your history textbooks. you won't find much.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/17/2004, 6:47 am

As awareness of the cruelties of Apartheid in South Africa surfaced in the US, outraged citizens lead to the boycott of commerce with that region. Economically the British occupiers suffered and it forced changes in the law. Sometimes you just have to hit them where it hurts most.... the wallet.

Penguin Josh · Post by **Penguin Josh** » 7/17/2004, 8:43 am

Bandalero wrote:Iranians used nonviolent methods borrowed from Thoreau and M.L.K.Jr. to overthrow their hated shah.

Who got his ideas from Gandhi

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 7/17/2004, 12:17 pm

Bandalero wrote:
J-Neli wrote:
Bandalero wrote:
Anti-racism is the greatest gift to the world by the US.

Throughout the world, from South Africa to Northern Ireland, movements of oppressed people continue to use tactics and words borrowed from our abolitionist and civil rights movements.

Anti-communists meetings in east germany were well known to have begun in the singing of 'we shall overcome'.

Iranians used nonviolent methods borrowed from Thoreau and M.L.K.Jr. to overthrow their hated shah.

On Ho CHi Minh's desk in Hanoi on the day he died was a biography of John Brown.

The ideas that inspired the students in Tienanmen Square come from Lincon's lips.

these ideas are celebrated around the world, and well known, yet here in the states we can't quote John Brown from memory. try to look for a quote from John Brown in your history textbooks. you won't find much.

America is still one of the most racist countries in the world. Just because a ew men have stood out and said a few memorable quotes doesn't mean that these examples are following in America's footsteps.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 7/17/2004, 5:01 pm

this isn't a gift to americans by americans, it's a gift by americans to the world. Textbooks in this country won't make heros out of John Brown, MLK Jr., but they'll make heros out of christ columbus and andrew jackson, and woodrow wilson.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 7/17/2004, 8:27 pm

Bandalero wrote:but they'll make heros out of christ columbus

I think that American patriotic education system is getting to you... :lol:

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » 7/18/2004, 9:08 am

anti-racism isn't a gift any country can give to the world, its a gift every individual can give to others, by showing their smarter than judging people based on race or religioun or for any other reason. racism is just plain stupid, but so is claiming that one country gave the gift of anti-racism to the world

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 7/18/2004, 9:39 am

Bandalero wrote:this isn't a gift to americans by americans, it's a gift by americans to the world. Textbooks in this country won't make heros out of John Brown, MLK Jr., but they'll make heros out of christ columbus and andrew jackson, and woodrow wilson.

Well being Canadian I don't know what they put in your textbooks. I have heard rumours that some of those books claim you guys won the war of 1812 but other than that I have no clue what you guys learn.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » 7/18/2004, 11:32 am

we did win the war of 1812, depending on how you look at it, if you look at it from a different point of view you could say america won, but canada really won

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 7/18/2004, 11:35 am

The American forces didn't even come close to meeting their goals in invading Canada. Therefore, they lost.

On the other hand, they got to taste some Canadian (aka real) beer. So it was really just a good time all around.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » 7/18/2004, 11:36 am

thats how we won, we got the americans so drunk on our good beer, they couldn't remember what they had to do so we won

Odio La Cabra · Post by **Odio La Cabra** » 7/18/2004, 2:07 pm

.....yeah our white house got burned down right?

my crazy history teacher whose being accused of having an affair with a former student made a big thing out of that and now everyone who took his class hates america and the government.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » 7/18/2004, 2:40 pm

it was burnt down, and thats why its now white they only had white paint left

Odio La Cabra · Post by **Odio La Cabra** » 7/18/2004, 2:50 pm

wow we suck

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 7/18/2004, 3:05 pm

Rusty wrote:it was burnt down, and thats why its now white they only had white paint left

It was painted white because it's easy to whitewash over soot.

Random Name · Post by **Random Name** » 7/18/2004, 3:08 pm

oh. I thought they ran out of pink. my bad.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » 7/18/2004, 3:08 pm

whatever the point was it was burnt down

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 7/19/2004, 12:45 am

Rusty wrote:anti-racism isn't a gift any country can give to the world, its a gift every individual can give to others, by showing their smarter than judging people based on race or religioun or for any other reason. racism is just plain stupid, but so is claiming that one country gave the gift of anti-racism to the world

it's not actually anti-racism that is the actual gift, its the fact that many great ideas and examples came forth from the anti-slavery movement. these great ideas are used constantly as a blueprint on how to start a movement by the oppressed and the minority all over the world. the world looks at our example and admire the efforts and actions of these men. we don't have a need to look and admire such actions simply because we aren't oppressed.

Well being Canadian I don't know what they put in your textbooks. I have heard rumours that some of those books claim you guys won the war of 1812 but other than that I have no clue what you guys learn.

a few of our textbooks consider it a win, others don';t mention the overall outcome, but they mention the battle of New Orleans in signifigant detail. by actual historians accounts, the war of 1812 was a stalemate. we failed to properly invade Canada, but our navy proved to be superior. Brititsh took washington but were turned awat at baltimore. the battle at lake champlain ends the invasion. british had a few wins in the early part of the war, but towards the end they were on the run. it's no wonder they signed the treaty of Ghent, what with Napoleon raising hell in europe. by the way, most troops from britian were already battle tested, where as the US was by no means a a legitimate super power.

to end in a stalemate basically legitimized both countries. (US and Canada)

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 7/19/2004, 2:53 pm

Ya I live on the Canadian/US border where many of the battles took place. It was clearly a stalemate, but we (as the decendents of the british) claim it as a victory since it was a failed American attempt at invasion.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/19/2004, 4:43 pm

J-Neli wrote:America is still one of the most racist countries in the world. Just because a ew men have stood out and said a few memorable quotes doesn't mean that these examples are following in America's footsteps.

Sure racism is still a factor in the US but it is by NO means "one of the most racist countries in the world". There are dozens of countries where racism is still a part of the law unlike the US.