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by **Axtech** » 6/5/2004, 8:51 pm

The point isn't that we will or won't ask why there is a heaven.

I'm asking now.

Why is there a heaven? Why is there a God?

Without explaining this, there is absolutely no basis for that belief.

And, just to point out that I'm not attacking your religion - why was there this super-condensed unimaginably small point of matter, and why did it explode? What came before it?

I know heaven isn't supposed to be a physical place. That's not my point. My point is to ask the question of why it exists - on any level. And why does God exist - on any level.

So far, the train of thought seems to go as follows...

God ----> creates heaven ----> for the good to spend eternity in
\/......................................................................................./\
creates us............................................................................|
\/........................................................................................|
so we can either spend eternity in heaven or hell.....................|
................................................... \/....................................|
...............................................both of which He created ------|

As you can see, the thinking is very circular. The question then becomes: Why would God create us, if only to test us to judge whether or not we should spend enternity in another of His creations.

This theory would make sense if one of two things were true...

a) God didn't create us, but did create heaven for us to aspire to, so that we would be good in this, our original life.

or

b) God didn't creat heaven, but created us as a new set of beings to bring into an already existing realm.

(both of these possibilities then raise innumerable other questions, though)

It just doesn't make any sense that an infinite being would create something in order to test that creation to put in another creation. Why would He do that? What purpose could it possibly serve?

by **Joe Cooler** » 6/5/2004, 9:50 pm

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