bush's current speech
ya, sorry I wasn't clear enough. Thanks though.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Joe Cool wrote:My only concern is that if US troops stay then there will continue to be unrest. However if they leave are not replaced by the UN, then militants will quickly take control of the country again. While no country should have to clean up the US mess, if they dont then all the blood shed would be for nothing.
yeah, the only problem i've ever had with this war is that in 20 years there's gonna be another Saddam Hussein in power there. this part of the world has been fighting since alexander the great, and it discourages me. my only hope is that a global community is back online and can go help us fix things.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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You have to remember that the Iraqi people are not children. They can make their own choices. When Saddam Hussein first came into power he improved education, health care, and infrastructure. Iraq was becoming a huge presence in the middle east. Although we all know what happened towards the last 10-15 years of his reign, you have to be able to accept that the Iraqi people will learn from past mistakes. Hell, if you lived in Nazi Germany back in 1932, you would have probably voted for Hitler as well. And now Germans know better. You have to let people learn from their mistakes, and decide what is best for them.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
J-Neli wrote:You have to remember that the Iraqi people are not children. They can make their own choices. When Saddam Hussein first came into power he improved education, health care, and infrastructure. Iraq was becoming a huge presence in the middle east. Although we all know what happened towards the last 10-15 years of his reign, you have to be able to accept that the Iraqi people will learn from past mistakes. Hell, if you lived in Nazi Germany back in 1932, you would have probably voted for Hitler as well. And now Germans know better. You have to let people learn from their mistakes, and decide what is best for them.
i have to agree with that to some extent. however, if you didn't have anything, and you were given something, like a minimal education, then your happy. (better known as George Pharr syndrome) the way it was in Iraq was that no one noticed that there was a better way of life out of Saddam's shadow, because all they knew was Saddam. and they were happy with it. set them free and let them do as they please. they can further themselves more then any one man can.
what should be done right now, is give every willing and able Iraqi man construction work to do. it's not work that they used to have, like architects, doctors, and bankers and what not, but it's a job. it's alot better then being unemployed. at the same time they're building their own country, getting paid well for it (i would pay them well for it). so that in the future they can take pride in the buildings, roads, utilities they have built together as a community. with the building of banks, railroads, water treatment plants, hospitals, museums and parks and such, that's going to create more, better jobs that those men can take back. that's the one thing that agitates me, is that there are always constant images of unemployed men demanding work, while the city is in ruin. there's work to be done, put them to work, let them earn an honest wage, and let them build their cities together.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
Corey wrote:They know better after a World War and had their country blown apart.... see sometimes it takes war to make a difference.
war isn't needed to learn from mistakes. How you can make that assertion is beyond me.
Bandalero wrote:what should be done right now, is give every willing and able Iraqi man construction work to do....
You know what? I agree. This would be perfect. I'm just worried about who will pay these men to work. American business? I think that would just be another example of war profiteering. Once the Iraqi sovereign govt is set up, they should make all attempts at rebuilding the country. I just don't like the idea of US involvement in the reconstruction. I think it takes away from Iraqi sovereignty since the US can use that to their advantage in the future.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
actually i was hoping that American companies would donate some materials. (cement, bricks, asphalt, plans, ect.) Iraqis could even produce such materials if the proper facilities are built. and then the government would give those companies a tax wrtie off of some kind. maybe even a subsity. that's it though no tax breaks, no profiting of anykind.
and then since bush likes spending money like it's going out of style, the government could pay those salaries.
damn if only I was running shit.
and then since bush likes spending money like it's going out of style, the government could pay those salaries.
damn if only I was running shit.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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Joe Cooler
Bandalero wrote:actually i was hoping that American companies would donate some materials. (cement, bricks, asphalt, plans, ect.) Iraqis could even produce such materials if the proper facilities are built. and then the government would give those companies a tax wrtie off of some kind. maybe even a subsity. that's it though no tax breaks, no profiting of anykind.
and then since bush likes spending money like it's going out of style, the government could pay those salaries.
damn if only I was running shit.
Hmm well im gonna have to agree with you guys. However i really dont know how the USA will fit into this. Theres been a ton of bloodshed on the Iraqi side because of the American occupation and im sure many Iraqi's will be reluctant to accept pay from a country that they feel is responsible for the violence.
Ya I can't picture American companies just donating to the cause.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
i can see it if they're going to get re-imbursed or get a stipend by the feds. especially if its also a write off.
a US government check is as good as gold.
a US government check is as good as gold.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
This idea one of the things FDR did to get the US out of its depression. Came up with a bunch of construction jobs (some that weren't even necessary) and paid people who needed work to do it. I think that is a pretty good idea.
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exactly....once again corey, you've read my damn mind.
now cut it out, i've got some perverted ideas that you shouldn't be reading!
now cut it out, i've got some perverted ideas that you shouldn't be reading!
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown