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Momentum is building for Kerry. I was surprised that he actually had this much support. Let's hope it only increases and Bush is finally knocked out.
The Dems are rallying
The Dems are rallying
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
if the republicans are murderers, then the democrats are thieves.
vote for neither.
vote for neither.
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Yes we all understand that.... jeeze... but that fact is that there has to be one or the other. Deal with it.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
protest the system don't just pout about it.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
there doesn't have to be one or the other.
they're not forcing you to vote, at least not yet. so until they do, i suggest you don't vote.
that's protesting the system.
they're not forcing you to vote, at least not yet. so until they do, i suggest you don't vote.
that's protesting the system.
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lol Well I won't be voting since I'm Canadian...
as I mentionned earlier in another thread, if we all could agree not to vote then it would be great, but no matter what a govt will be in power since the politicians will vote, as will their friends and family thus making someone the winner.
as I mentionned earlier in another thread, if we all could agree not to vote then it would be great, but no matter what a govt will be in power since the politicians will vote, as will their friends and family thus making someone the winner.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
doug wrote:there doesn't have to be one or the other.
they're not forcing you to vote, at least not yet. so until they do, i suggest you don't vote.
that's protesting the system.
no that's just sitting around waiting for something to happen.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
reno, we've been over this a hundred times... voting is an act of agression... i don't agress... it's that simple.
not voting is how we further our agenda. it's how we send our message without compromising our principles.
not voting is how we further our agenda. it's how we send our message without compromising our principles.
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[glow=white]Anarchists[/glow] [glow=black]and_[/glow][glow=white]celebrity speakers[/glow]
[glow=black]These are improbable days my friends[/glow]</p>
[glow=white]Anarchists[/glow] [glow=black]and_[/glow][glow=white]celebrity speakers[/glow]
[glow=black]These are improbable days my friends[/glow]</p>
i'm not saying you should vote, i'm saying if you want to further your agenda, protest it publically. people will just think, hey the guy just didn't vote if you don't.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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wouldn't voting to abolish government still be an aggressive act? because, in all truth, any move to do so is as much of a vote as checking off a piece of paper. wouldn't anarchy as you propose ALSO violate the liberties of people who WISH to keep the government? don't they have a right to government if they so desire?
just musing out loud.
just musing out loud.
awkward is the new cool
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wouldn't voting to abolish government still be an aggressive act? because, in all truth, any move to do so is as much of a vote as checking off a piece of paper.
that's the thing - i'm not voting to abolish the government. i'm not voting at all.
wouldn't anarchy as you propose ALSO violate the liberties of people who WISH to keep the government? don't they have a right to government if they so desire?
absolutely they do. they are more then welcome to set up a government on property they own and do things their way, just so long as they don't force me to get involved or pay for it.
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[glow=white]Anarchists[/glow] [glow=black]and_[/glow][glow=white]celebrity speakers[/glow]
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[glow=black]These are improbable days my friends[/glow]</p>
Question:
Say you set up a government on your own property and have people who live there pay taxes and abide by your laws and such which they agree to by living there. How do you deal with the individuals who are born to people of that government and are now also on your property?
Do you:
a) Throw the babies off of your property
or
b) Consider them citizens of your government
??
Say you set up a government on your own property and have people who live there pay taxes and abide by your laws and such which they agree to by living there. How do you deal with the individuals who are born to people of that government and are now also on your property?
Do you:
a) Throw the babies off of your property
or
b) Consider them citizens of your government
??
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starvingeyes
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wouldn't you still be imposing some sort of state upon them though?
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"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
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"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
the alchemist wrote:they live on <i>your</i> property which you obtained through legitimate means (ie. not stealing it.)?
then you treat them as citizens. if they don't like it, they leave. why is this ok, because unlike the governments of the world, you have a valid claim to the land you rule over. you bought it.
.... ok and who owns the land say... the Canadian government "stole"?
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the alchemist wrote:they live on <i>your</i> property which you obtained through legitimate means (ie. not stealing it.)?
then you treat them as citizens. if they don't like it, they leave. why is this ok, because unlike the governments of the world, you have a valid claim to the land you rule over. you bought it.
technically speaking, the canadian government did get their land though legitimate means, at least most of it. The native people who lived on the land (though they didn;t consider themselves 'owning it') gave them the land. It wasn't the most moral agreement in the world, but I wouldn't say they stole it.
So if that is the case, your theory would be that for canada. The people who lived in it got together and decided how they were going to have a government. If you didn't like it, you could leave.
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wouldn't you still be imposing some sort of state upon them though?
sure. but i can impose whatever i want on you as long as it's on <i>my property</i> and you're there voluntarily.
.... ok and who owns the land say... the Canadian government "stole"?
well, <i>i</i> own my piece of it. the rest of it (that is, the land that is currently unsettled) is owned by native american peoples.
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the alchemist wrote:
they live on your property which you obtained through legitimate means (ie. not stealing it.)?
then you treat them as citizens. if they don't like it, they leave. why is this ok, because unlike the governments of the world, you have a valid claim to the land you rule over. you bought it.
technically speaking, the canadian government did get their land though legitimate means, at least most of it. The native people who lived on the land (though they didn;t consider themselves 'owning it') gave them the land. It wasn't the most moral agreement in the world, but I wouldn't say they stole it.
techincally speaking, the british government used stolen funds and property
to make the treaty agreements with the natives. the state cannot buy land, it has no money that it didn't steal.
