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help needed DESPERATELY!!

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does anyone here know Hamlet really well??

ANYONE?!

i need help
you have to, you just have to trust me
whoever i was then i can't ever be again
the faith you've found i've never felt
the terror held in wedding bells
the comfort in "there's no one else"
the truth be told, i'm never going to know
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What do you need help with?
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good examples of 'what goes around comes around' in the play.

for example, laertes plans on cheating and puts poison on his sword to kill hamlet, and it ends up killing himself.

claudius kills old hamlet, young hamlet kills him.

i need more!!
you have to, you just have to trust me
whoever i was then i can't ever be again
the faith you've found i've never felt
the terror held in wedding bells
the comfort in "there's no one else"
the truth be told, i'm never going to know
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Note everyone who dies, and then look at what they did to cause the corruption in Denmark. Gertrude, for example, had an affair with Claudius, then married him shortly after her husband's murder (though she didn't know about the murder).

Rosencrants (sp?) and Guildenstern (Hamlet's childhood friends) set out under Claudius's orders to have Hamlet killed. Once Hamlet escaped from the ship, he forged a letter saying that once the boat reached the shore, R & G were to be killed.
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Axtech wrote:Rosencrants (sp?) and Guildenstern (Hamlet's childhood friends) set out under Claudius's orders to have Hamlet killed. Once Hamlet escaped from the ship, he forged a letter saying that once the boat reached the shore, R & G were to be killed.


but it isn't known for sure if they knew they were a part of the plan to kill hamlet....

but thank you for those examples!
you have to, you just have to trust me
whoever i was then i can't ever be again
the faith you've found i've never felt
the terror held in wedding bells
the comfort in "there's no one else"
the truth be told, i'm never going to know
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Yes it is! Claudius clearly tells them to escort him there to be killed. They're shown as corrupt because they, his best friends from childhood, don't come to see him when his father dies, or when he's become "insane". They only come to Denmark when Claudius pays them to find out what Hamlet's up to. Then he sends Hamlet off, with them as an escort. Had they not been involved, the morally superior Hamlet wouldn't have sent them to death.
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Axtech wrote:Yes it is! Claudius clearly tells them to escort him there to be killed. They're shown as corrupt because they, his best friends from childhood, don't come to see him when his father dies, or when he's become "insane". They only come to Denmark when Claudius pays them to find out what Hamlet's up to. Then he sends Hamlet off, with them as an escort. Had they not been involved, the morally superior Hamlet wouldn't have sent them to death.


he doesn't say it right out... if he does, i definately missed that. do you know what scene/line?? i know they spied on hamlet.... and i know they went with him to england, but it isn't known that they knew hamlet was going to get killed.
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whoever i was then i can't ever be again
the faith you've found i've never felt
the terror held in wedding bells
the comfort in "there's no one else"
the truth be told, i'm never going to know
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Hmm... maybe they didn't know.

Either way, the corruption is there, so they got what they deserved.
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How about Hamlet "pretending" to go crazy with the intention of killing Claudius but makes a mistake and kills Polonius, then Ophilia goes crazy because Hamlet appears crazy and killed her father and she (we suspect) kills herself.
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^^ ohh that's a good one
you have to, you just have to trust me
whoever i was then i can't ever be again
the faith you've found i've never felt
the terror held in wedding bells
the comfort in "there's no one else"
the truth be told, i'm never going to know
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*goes to re-read Hamlet*

God, that play friggin' rules.
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I was fairly sure Rosencrantz and Guildenstern knew that Hamlet was to be killed too...

but i havent read the book in a few years...
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