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But this kinda screamed for one.
RAVENNA - Citing U.S. Supreme Court decisions, Catherine Donkers argued Thursday that a judge had no authority to sentence her for three traffic violations on the Ohio Turnpike.

The 29-year-old Michigan woman, who admitted she was breast-feeding her infant daughter in her lap on May 8 as an Ohio State Highway Patrol trooper was trying to pull her over, said any sentence would be unjust because there was no victim in the case.

No harm done, she said.

And no monetary damage.

However, at the end of a four-hour hearing in which she repeatedly tried to explain how her rights were violated, Portage County Municipal Court Judge Donald H. Martell sentenced her to 90 days of electronically monitored house arrest. The judge also put her on probation for two years, ordered her to undergo a mental health evaluation for continually defying law enforcement officers, and fined her $500 for the traffic offenses.

However, because Donkers said she would appeal any decision, Martell delayed execution of the sentence until the appeal is settled. Assistant Portage County Prosecutor Sean P. Scahill said Donkers has 30 days to file an appeal with the 11th District Court of Appeals in Warren.

Prior to the sentencing, Donkers addressed the judge from a 17-page statement. She contended he was powerless to sentence her because he had not taken a formal oath of office to start his latest term on the bench.

``So, it's time for me to go home?'' the judge replied.

Martell sentenced her anyway. Then, after the proceeding had adjourned, he called everyone back into the courtroom. He then produced the original document of his most recent oath, dated Dec. 24, 2001, and even gave Donkers a copy for her appeal.

She looked it over and walked to the rear of the courtroom to consult with her husband, 47-year-old Brad L. Barnhill, who was whispering instructions to her throughout the hearing from his seat in the gallery.

Outside court, Donkers' mother, who would not give her name, was caring for the couple's 13-month-old daughter, Seren, who is just beginning to walk.

Donkers, who acted as her own lawyer in a two-day trial in August, was found guilty of driving without a license, failing to comply with a police officer's order, and violating a car-seat law by nursing her baby while driving.

In trial testimony, she also admitted she was talking to her husband on her cell phone as the trooper was trailing her for three miles -- and taking notes on the steering wheel about what she should do.

She finally pulled off the turnpike and stopped near a toll booth, she testified, because she felt it was safe there.

Donkers and Barnhill, who say they live near Los Angeles, had based the case -- in voluminous court filings -- on their religious beliefs as members of an organization called the First Christian Fellowship for Eternal Sovereignty. The basis of their ``deeply held spiritual beliefs,'' stated in their filings, is that the husband is ``the sole head of the family'' and the only one who can punish the wife for a public act.

The case has drawn attention throughout the United States and in Canada. Even a French press agency based in Chicago picked up on it.

After Thursday's hearing, Donkers called the judge's sentence unfair and absurd because, she said, ``he's apparently the only one who thinks I wasn't nursing my child when this happened.''

As an additional part of Donkers' probation, the judge ordered her to refrain from driving a vehicle until she gets a valid license. Donkers said she has been unable to get a driver's license anywhere because of her refusal to give her Social Security number.

She also repeated in court a quote she told the judge came from Thomas Jefferson. ``The evils of tyranny are only seen by those who resist it.''

The actual quote, from American statesman John Hay in 1872, is: ``The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it.''

Donkers and Barnhill were involved in two other run-ins with police after traffic stops, according to testimony. In one of those incidents, on Sept. 12, 2001, in Maryland, police found two loaded handguns in the locked console compartment of their vehicle. Charges are pending for transporting and handling of firearms in a motor vehicle.

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Oy :roll:


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a) Donkers and Barnhill. Enough said.

b) She was breastfeeding a child who is over a year old?!

c) First Christian what??
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I'm not thrilled with this woman driving while A) Breastfeeding B) Talking on a cell phone, an C) Taking Notes

I would have pulled her over too since her attention to the road is obviously limited. I don't care that she is breastfeeding in public..........its that if an accident occurs where she has to manuever the vehicle the baby is gonna go flying............her religious beliefs don't apply when it threatens the safety of herself, her child and others.
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scary.
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apparently you can breast feed untill your child is 5, infact there was a kid entering my brother's school awhile ago that was turned away from kindergarten because the only food he would eat was his mother's breast milk.

:wtf: I found it really weird, who still breast feeds untill then...it's almost kinda preverted....
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well i guess it's necessary for those who are impoverished or simply can't afford to put enough food on the table.

but besides all that the woman just sounds like a wacko.
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:wtf:

the woman's crazy.
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I really want to see how she can drive, breastfeed, talk on a cell-phone, and take notes at the same time . . . wouldn't that take at least five hands?
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Not really, one hand to hold the kid, and if she used the heel of her other hand to hold onto the wheel and steer, she left three of her fingers and her thumb available to write while the last finger actually held the note onto the wheel.


PS: None of this in any way should be construed to mean she's anything but a total psycho.
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Makes sense Narbus. Glad to see we have a thinker in our midst. :lol:
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i know women are better at multi-tasking then men, but they're not that good
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she probably wasnt holding the kid at all
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What makes you say that? She admitted she was breastfeeding while driving...........I'm pretty sure you have to hold a kid for that to happen. It isn't Spider-man junior you know.
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i think she's partially letting the steering wheel "hold" the kid cuz like.. how can she hold the paper and write on it at the same time with the same hand? going by what narbus posted up there.. the paper would move w/ her hand.. or she could use part of her hand to hold the kid and part of it to steer or something like that..

i think the best way to explain what i mean.. try doing it with your hands and you'll sorta see what i mean lol
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she was driving with her other tit dude.

either that or it was holding the baby. that's some lucky baby......and a nice rack.
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i can drive with my knees
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i once did take-off in an airplane with my knees while i was turned around doing up the seatbelt in the backseat :lol: good times
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:lol:

and reno :lol::lol:


so i guess she could be driving with her knees too .. but im assuming that the baby isnt pleased out of all of this .. someone needs to think of the kids.. [moe voice]WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?[/moe]
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happeningfish wrote:i once did take-off in an airplane with my knees while i was turned around doing up the seatbelt in the backseat :lol: good times


8O Remind me never to fly with you....


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