I'll agree that I feel that the latest OLP music (specifically Gravity) seems to dumbed down quite a bit. That missing complexity (the layers) is missing from that album. Whether it was Bob Rock or OLP's choosing is another issue altogether.
I have always preferred the Naveed/Clumsy sound and I don't think we'll ever see that band again. But on that end, you can't expect the band to keep on putting out the record. I give OLP a lot of credit, they continue to evolve as a band (although the music seems to be getting worse..)....
Just something of note... I find it funny how everyone keeps on saying they are "commercializing their music." At least in Canada... Gravity, SM and Happiness... have been their lowest selling CD's. Clumsy and Naveed both sold way more...... But The USA is a different story i suppose.
Does anyone miss OLP the Rock band?
I think this thread has a lot to do with peoples opinions. Like i know people who just like the newer olp albums and some people who just like the older olp albums. But I personally like all five albums. Naveed is an excellent record because it is unique and different from a lot of other music. Raine might not have the emotion in this album as other albums but he has the lyrics and the "harsh" sound. Same goes with Clumsy. I find in Happiness Raine still has the lyrics but the music seems softer but I still love the album because it is olp and to me they have a unique sound. SM is also very good because of the emotion Raine puts into it. Even though it may not be as hard instrumantally as the other albums it is still an excellent cd. Now Gravity is ok. Lyracally it is not the best and the music is not what it used to be like, but Raine still has a message in his music that he is trying to get across and the songs still make you think about what he is trying to say. To me I think this thread all depends on what people like and even if album #6 might not be as "harsh" as naveed or clumsy I bet everyone will still go out and buy the cd as soon as it comes out.
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first of all, like i said before, i'm not trying to classify olp, when i said "pop-rocking" and "soft-rocking" i was only trying to explain what there music has become compared to Dirty Walls or Home. And as for commercializing maybe we do have the same idea after all, if a band is making music to be popular, that just disgusting, if it's going to get played on the radio it's going to get played, don't try just do your thing. As AJK said, Naveed and Clumsy were the biggest hits, why? because they're weren't trying to be anything, they were just putting out stuff, and they didn't care (see Hope and Carnival and birdman as singles). I just don't need my favorite band turning into american hi-fi or three doors down
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
No emotion before Gravity? That makes no sense at all. At one point in time i was starting to like gravity, then i realized i was sick of it already. The old music? I haven't gotten sick of it. I see ten times more emotion in something like "Big Dumb Rocket" than "Not Enough." Wanna know why? Raine was able to use a million cliches in Not Enough to convey whatever he was trying to convey. In Big Dumb Rocket, he took a new, original approach to conveying his emotion (if no one knows the story behind the song, look it up). If i write a song and add filler lines like "nothing left to lose," i know that it's probably a less passionate song for me, just one that's fun to play. Sure, Gravity is fun to play. But i don't get sick of original works. I'm sick of gravity because i hear it every day on the radio.Don't ask questions, just accept it.
amen
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Clumsyboy wrote:go back and listen to old olp, and tell me it doesn't break your heart
it does break my heart. a while ago i saw the clumsy video and i cried.
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if i don't make it know that i've loved you all along
when you are with me i'm free
that hazy moon will be ash in the wind real soon
member of the pokémon league
i wanna hold you high and steal your pain away
if i don't make it know that i've loved you all along
when you are with me i'm free
that hazy moon will be ash in the wind real soon
if you think old olp has no passion, i see myself wondering why you became a fan in the first place.... now raine tends to scream things a little more and the guitars are turns way up. that doesnt nessicarily mean it has more passion. some of the stuff they have developed more than the original (steve's birdman solo) but alot of it almost bores me a little. they do the same thing every show alot of the time.
they don't need to play it louder for the true beauty to come out. the real way you can tell if it is really passionate is if they can convey all that emotion themselves, without depending on special effects or anything else. thats what i really would love to see. simpler, to make the emotion and what is conveyed more powerful and explosive, not simpler to make it easier to to quickly become yesterday's discarded hit single.
they don't need to play it louder for the true beauty to come out. the real way you can tell if it is really passionate is if they can convey all that emotion themselves, without depending on special effects or anything else. thats what i really would love to see. simpler, to make the emotion and what is conveyed more powerful and explosive, not simpler to make it easier to to quickly become yesterday's discarded hit single.
its seems to me (being a casual observer) that the band used to get lost in their music, feel it every time, the emotions again. now, they've played these same songs it would be easy for them to just go through the motions, not really have any connection to the songs they are playing. they are shells of thier former selves on stage. they have written some of the most beautiful songs on the planet (imo) and they can't seem to break through the wall that really lets them get close to them. don't get me wrong, they are amazing live, it just seems that they aren't enjoying themselves on stage the way they used to.
it seems it has become more of a job to them than an art. in raine's words, they are getting ever closer to stepping over that line of artist and entertainer. and that scares me. if they no longer like what they are doing, maybe they won't do that. olp breaking up would be one of the worst things to happen. they need to refind that passion, that drive, that brought them to where they are. this album is their chance to find the music again. and if they don't, they will not be heading in a direction that makes me, and possibly them, or at least their former selves, happy.
olp said gravity really made them happy, but i doubt that. they really don't seem that much happier. i'm not one to comment, as i have no idea really, but thats what i see. i really, deeply hope they are happy with this album, and don't put pressures on themselves to make anything but what they really feel passionate about.
it seems it has become more of a job to them than an art. in raine's words, they are getting ever closer to stepping over that line of artist and entertainer. and that scares me. if they no longer like what they are doing, maybe they won't do that. olp breaking up would be one of the worst things to happen. they need to refind that passion, that drive, that brought them to where they are. this album is their chance to find the music again. and if they don't, they will not be heading in a direction that makes me, and possibly them, or at least their former selves, happy.
olp said gravity really made them happy, but i doubt that. they really don't seem that much happier. i'm not one to comment, as i have no idea really, but thats what i see. i really, deeply hope they are happy with this album, and don't put pressures on themselves to make anything but what they really feel passionate about.
Lando wrote:I said it was the stupidest thing I've heard from an OLP fan... did I say you were stupid? If you'reand wondering what the answer is, by all means re-read my post.
That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard from an olp fan:rockstarjeff:heehee
(just jokes lando)
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jo_mamma86 wrote:Lando wrote:I said it was the stupidest thing I've heard from an OLP fan... did I say you were stupid? If you're
That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard from an olp fan:rockstarjeff:heehee
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i really have to voice my opinion. olp is not a pop rock band in my opinion. okay okay, they wrote some songs that were popish in a sense. every album so far has had its own unique feel, and i personally dont hear any pop sounds in the new songs. so what if the band isnt playing the exact styles they played on naveed and clumsy, i think we should stop bitching and enjoy the music the guys are making.
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ya know, the best times for Our Lady Peace were during Spiritual Machines to me. SM is amazing and there's something very unique and special about that album, and it's not Ray Kurzweil...Happiness is great too and Naveed and Clumsy are truly unbelievable also but I'm not feelin the same vibe wit Gravity...the only song i kinda like on Gravity is Story About a Girl. I wish OLP could read these posts...
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Story About A girl has a wicked guitar in it......but a lot of it is pop in some senses........Its also one of my fav's but the song could have been better in parts..
Gravity is a simple album........I don't really compare it to the others......its solid, but lacks the Peace originality. I'm not mad that they "suck more"......because it was just a different angle they pursued. Songs like "innocent and "Birng Back the Sun" are great to me.......and a lot of others like Sorry, Sell My Soul, and Do You Like It? are catchy tunes that I'd listen to any time. They may not be master strokes by any means.......but its still grabs me more than the radio.
The new album seems to be a bit harder and edgy......a good move......working with Bob Rock I still expect it to be in the vein of Gravity, but a lot more rocking.
Gravity is a simple album........I don't really compare it to the others......its solid, but lacks the Peace originality. I'm not mad that they "suck more"......because it was just a different angle they pursued. Songs like "innocent and "Birng Back the Sun" are great to me.......and a lot of others like Sorry, Sell My Soul, and Do You Like It? are catchy tunes that I'd listen to any time. They may not be master strokes by any means.......but its still grabs me more than the radio.
The new album seems to be a bit harder and edgy......a good move......working with Bob Rock I still expect it to be in the vein of Gravity, but a lot more rocking.