http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/17/m ... index.html
The woman who was the plaintiff in the historic Roe v. Wade case, which legalized abortion in the united states, wants the verdict in that case overturned.
Phew.
I wonder if they overturn it, will she do hard time?
Jane Roe wants Roe v. Wade overturned
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Sufjan Stevens
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There is NO CHANCE IN HELL the case will be overturned. Her choice to plead the case that abortion should be legalized was too good back in the day, and now we can't turn back from the case. Abortion will always be legal.
I faced death. I went in with my arms swinging. But I heard my own breath and had to face that I'm still living. I'm still flesh. I hold on to awful feelings. I'm not dead... My chest still draws breath. I hold it. I'm buoyant. There's no end.
Here is an interesting question.
I read this from a Time magazine. A woman who was pregnant was punched in the stomach by her husband forcing her to have a miscarriage. This is NOT considered murder because as we all know, fetuses have no rights, which allows mothers to have abortions. The man was only convicted of inflicting injury to the mother, a minor crime.
So the question is? Do you think this is murder? If so, do you believe that abortion is NOT murder? Do explain.
I read this from a Time magazine. A woman who was pregnant was punched in the stomach by her husband forcing her to have a miscarriage. This is NOT considered murder because as we all know, fetuses have no rights, which allows mothers to have abortions. The man was only convicted of inflicting injury to the mother, a minor crime.
So the question is? Do you think this is murder? If so, do you believe that abortion is NOT murder? Do explain.
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Sufjan Stevens
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I think that what the man did is murder, along with abortion, but abortion will not go away. It's been around too long to fight now. Sure, everyone can pitch a bitch about it and fight forever, but it's not going to change anything.
I am sure if you called mothers that got abortions "deadbeat moms," over-feminist women will just flip out on you. It would be sexism and discrimination to women that chose to have an abortion. In other words, in one way or another, women are always protected by some sort of organization.
I am sure if you called mothers that got abortions "deadbeat moms," over-feminist women will just flip out on you. It would be sexism and discrimination to women that chose to have an abortion. In other words, in one way or another, women are always protected by some sort of organization.
I faced death. I went in with my arms swinging. But I heard my own breath and had to face that I'm still living. I'm still flesh. I hold on to awful feelings. I'm not dead... My chest still draws breath. I hold it. I'm buoyant. There's no end.
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i don't know what to think about abortion really. i mean right now i feel that is definitely should be legal as a personal choice for women. they're the ones who will have to live with it on their conscience if they really just can't go through the birth and pregnancy for whatever reason.
but then again i don't really consider myself a good assessor of the situation since i've never been pregnant. i think once you're in those shoes your whole perpective would change, how it would change i don't know.
but yeah i don't think you can make any judgements by this whole jane roe changing her mind thing. maybe she wouldn't have changed her mind if she hadn't become such an icon or revolutionary figure. that's gotta be a lot of pressure to live with and who knows what it would do to you.
but then again i don't really consider myself a good assessor of the situation since i've never been pregnant. i think once you're in those shoes your whole perpective would change, how it would change i don't know.
but yeah i don't think you can make any judgements by this whole jane roe changing her mind thing. maybe she wouldn't have changed her mind if she hadn't become such an icon or revolutionary figure. that's gotta be a lot of pressure to live with and who knows what it would do to you.
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in my opinion the less amount of children that are brought into this world by parents who are not physically, emotional, and financially ready for them, the better our world would be.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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starvingeyes
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well technically the male makes his intentions known of wanting to have a child the instant he has sex, If he doesn't want to have a kid then he shouldn't be having sex. Plain and Simple.
True the same can be flipped around and we can say that the female agrees to have a child at the same time, but the female role in bringing up a child is far more tougher than that of the male.
Really all of this could be solved if less people were having sex, or using protection, but I still believe that the instant the male commences sex, he has intentions of having a child.
True the same can be flipped around and we can say that the female agrees to have a child at the same time, but the female role in bringing up a child is far more tougher than that of the male.
Really all of this could be solved if less people were having sex, or using protection, but I still believe that the instant the male commences sex, he has intentions of having a child.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Well I said that the same should go for the female. In my opinion though, the male agrees to having the child during intercourse and the female agrees to having consideration of abortion (if that is a consideration). Only because the physical, mental, and emotional strain of having a child far excedes that of what the male had to go through to make the child.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
i don't think that childbirth is any harder emotionally on a woman. whatever concerns an expecting mother can have about how her pregnacy is going could be and very likely would be duplicated by the expecting father.
i think that if sex = consenting to have a child, you have to apply that rule to both. otherwise you have a contradiction......
i think that if sex = consenting to have a child, you have to apply that rule to both. otherwise you have a contradiction......
Our world is full of double standards.
Ask your parents or anyone who has had a child and I'm willing to bet they would say the woman has had the tougher the job in the months leading up to birth along with the months afterwards when various things such as self-esteem, and Post-pardum depression kick in.
Physically, mentally, and emotionally men and women are different, why would that change during during pregnancy?
Ask your parents or anyone who has had a child and I'm willing to bet they would say the woman has had the tougher the job in the months leading up to birth along with the months afterwards when various things such as self-esteem, and Post-pardum depression kick in.
Physically, mentally, and emotionally men and women are different, why would that change during during pregnancy?
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
ok so should both parents have to consent to the abortion?
what if the male says he wants the baby but the female doesn't? Couldn't that lead to problems as the woman has to endure 9 months of pregnancy? And why would a unwilling mother-to-be try and take care of herself during an unwanted pregnancy? who's to say that she wouldn't go our drinking or smoke cigarettes or something that can harm the child?
By all means if males could carry the child, than they should have a choice in the matter, but they aren't the ones who must go through the pregancy so they should not get a legal choice in the matter.
what if the male says he wants the baby but the female doesn't? Couldn't that lead to problems as the woman has to endure 9 months of pregnancy? And why would a unwilling mother-to-be try and take care of herself during an unwanted pregnancy? who's to say that she wouldn't go our drinking or smoke cigarettes or something that can harm the child?
By all means if males could carry the child, than they should have a choice in the matter, but they aren't the ones who must go through the pregancy so they should not get a legal choice in the matter.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
makes sense but thats where my theory that having sex denotes wanting to have a child. Don't want a child? Don't Have sex.
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I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"