Though, in general I am fairly against abortion, there are a few cases where I believe it may be justified. However, I'm not sure I'm too keen on this partial birth thing, it seems a bit cruel. What does everbody else think?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/ ... index.html
"Partial birth" abortions
"Partial birth" abortions
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I'm "pro-choice", but this is a lot different. This is killing a baby, not a developing fetus. If the baby is actually out of the mother (even partially), give it up for adoption if you don't want it or can't keep it.
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i agree with everything you said rob.
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Yes, that makes sense. However, the argument (that I don't necessarily agree with) is that in some circumstances something may go wrong and then the mother's health is at risk if she gives birth to the baby, maybe a last minute thing. Who's life do you sacrifice? The baby or the mother?
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In that case it's a toss-up. Will the mother die? Will the baby die even if it is born? Will the baby have debilitating defects if it is born?
There are a lot of factors that would have to be taken into acount by the doctor and family (and the mother if she is in the condition to make such a huge decision).
There are a lot of factors that would have to be taken into acount by the doctor and family (and the mother if she is in the condition to make such a huge decision).
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not even touching this with a 50ft. pole.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
That is the question. Given those circumstances, do you still agree with the law? Personally, I don't. I believe it is still a form of murder if the baby is on its way out of the womb.
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Corey wrote:Un Puño De Tierra wrote:not even touching this with a 50ft. pole.
Good call!
yeah i'm not even neutral on the topic i'm just not there, i retract my representative and i leave the topic.
the gentileman from Texas gives back his minutes.
*Fixes suit and walks out of thread*
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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I disagree with abortions because a fetus is still a living thing. If I were ever to get pregnant I would still have the child no matter what the circumstances. And back to what they mentioned earlier about if you had to choose between the mother or the child to live, I would choose to have the child live because it still has its hole life ahead of him/her where the mother has lived a part of her life. I personally would rather have my child survive then me.
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I think you've got pro-choice wrong there. Pro-choice means that it's up to the individual. What does that have to do with vegitarianism?
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I know I'm going to get hammered for this, but i think that it should be a personal choice, abortions choices have become too public, it should be the mother's choice and i know it is, but when the media is influencing everybody so much it makes me question if the mothers are actually making the decisions for themselves or just to please other people
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"Logic is on a ski trip with it's great buddy reason."
"One lonely day a game of war will be won."
"Sometimes were too busy looking off into the distance, we can't see whats right in front of us."
"Hey is that a cloud off in the distance? No wait it's just a sheep flying."
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"If ignorance is bliss then ours is truly a blissful society."
"Meet my coalition forces, me myself and I."
"Logic is on a ski trip with it's great buddy reason."
"One lonely day a game of war will be won."
"Sometimes were too busy looking off into the distance, we can't see whats right in front of us."
"Hey is that a cloud off in the distance? No wait it's just a sheep flying."
"Have you ever wanted to be whisked off to a magical place....Delaware. Hi! I'm in Delaware!"
*hammers ^* 
But seriously, I kind of agree with you. Outside influences are swaying people's decisions.
However, what's the difference between killing a "fetus" when it's head is out or killing it a day or two later? There isn't a difference. I mean, I'm pro-choice, but that choice has to be made a lot sooner than the time of birth (depending, of course, on the conditions).
But seriously, I kind of agree with you. Outside influences are swaying people's decisions.
However, what's the difference between killing a "fetus" when it's head is out or killing it a day or two later? There isn't a difference. I mean, I'm pro-choice, but that choice has to be made a lot sooner than the time of birth (depending, of course, on the conditions).
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yes it should be an early choice
~ Dan ~
"If ignorance is bliss then ours is truly a blissful society."
"Meet my coalition forces, me myself and I."
"Logic is on a ski trip with it's great buddy reason."
"One lonely day a game of war will be won."
"Sometimes were too busy looking off into the distance, we can't see whats right in front of us."
"Hey is that a cloud off in the distance? No wait it's just a sheep flying."
"Have you ever wanted to be whisked off to a magical place....Delaware. Hi! I'm in Delaware!"
"If ignorance is bliss then ours is truly a blissful society."
"Meet my coalition forces, me myself and I."
"Logic is on a ski trip with it's great buddy reason."
"One lonely day a game of war will be won."
"Sometimes were too busy looking off into the distance, we can't see whats right in front of us."
"Hey is that a cloud off in the distance? No wait it's just a sheep flying."
"Have you ever wanted to be whisked off to a magical place....Delaware. Hi! I'm in Delaware!"
i agree, i thik seeing as how i'm a man i have no business in the issue, and i have no idea of the situation because i have never been in it. Therefore, i leave it up to the mother to decide. BUT waiting this long IS wrong to me, because the baby is fully developed and basically the same as a born one
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
But then that philosophical question comes in... How late is too late? Where does one draw the line?
Just like if you have the chance to save many adults or a few children. Many would think, "Save the children, they're so young, they have their whole lives ahead of them". But where does one draw this line? Who are we to judge at what age a life becomes less important than another? But at the same time, we, as humans, do draw that line of our own accord.
These issues become so complex when dealing with life and death, especially that of young lives.
Just like if you have the chance to save many adults or a few children. Many would think, "Save the children, they're so young, they have their whole lives ahead of them". But where does one draw this line? Who are we to judge at what age a life becomes less important than another? But at the same time, we, as humans, do draw that line of our own accord.
These issues become so complex when dealing with life and death, especially that of young lives.
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Every now and then I fall out into open air just to feel the wind, rain and everything.
And though the hum and sway gets me down, I'll find the way to peace and openness.
"Robbo" - © Alex (happeningfish)...^5 ^5 v v
Every now and then I fall out into open air just to feel the wind, rain and everything.
And though the hum and sway gets me down, I'll find the way to peace and openness.
"Robbo" - © Alex (happeningfish)...^5 ^5 v v