Our Lady Peace's Future - I gotta say this...

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Our Lady Peace's Future - I gotta say this...

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Hey everyone.

I've been thinking a lot about Our Lady Peace lately. I used to be a HUGE fan a couple of years ago, then I started enjoying heavy metal and progressive rock, so I kind of stopped listening to OLP for a while, but luckly I stared listneing ot them all over again, I guess you can tell, cause I'm always online at the HUB (as olponline) and I've been posting a lot here.

But I get really sad when I see what OLP is becoming. They really aren't the same band they used to be... Spiritual Machines was certainly their best work. Suddenly Mike Turner leaves the band, and we have a new guitarist, then a new producer. They just dumped what was OLP's second brain, Arnold Lanni.

From what I hear the band saying on interviews, they keep saying they are happy like they've never been before, but to be honest I just can't believe it. Just listen to old OLP and compare them to Gravity OLP, how can THIS be the OLP they've always wanted to be?

They've always made relativly complex music such as Hello Oskar, One Man Army, Stealing Babies, Wonderful Future...
How can a band suddenly change from such deep complex music/lyrics to things such as Innocent, Do You Like It, Story About A Girl with poor lyrics and musical structures... :(
Whenever I think of this, I get really sad.

My first disappointment begain with the cover for Gravity, when I first saw it I almost punched a wall... That is one of the worse covers I've ever seen. I know that before Gravity they had Spiritual Machines, a quite complex and heavy album in terms of subject, but one of the most original videos out there such as In Repair, great artwork by Oli... and now ridiculous MTV type of videos where Raine tries to be all sexy (in SOT video)... such as SOT and Innocent... I don't even have to say a word about the cover of Gravity.

Well, now they come up with this Live album, which was another disappointment, specially because it's got only 14 tracks... come on, how can a band like OLP who has 5 studio albuns make a live album, which has been expected for ages, with only 14 tracks... that is SO damn sad.

To be honest, I'm very pessimistic about their album #6. I'm afraid of what Bob Rock might do with the band (if they pick him as their producer). And also I don't know what exacly Steve will add in terms of song writting and musical structure...

I heard Our Time Is Fading, and I got so happy. In my opinion, it's far superior than the stuff in Gravity... and Not Afraid was alright, not that impressive.

It's not that I don't want OLP to change, and that I think they should remain the band from Clumsy or Happiness, or Spiritual Machines, no it's not that... I just don't like their change, and the thing is that they can't make every single fan happy. And they actually changed a lot from Happiness... to Spiritual Machines, huge amazing change.

Sellout? Well... I guess I could use that term. They seemed to have had this desire of being big in the US for ages, and I think that by taking the path they took with Gravity, they're going on the right way.

I know it's bad comparing bands, but I'm gonna do it anyway. You can see Matt Good for example, he seems to be making the type of music he's always wanted to make, without changing as much as OLP, in terms of sort of selling souls to record companies. You can't deny that OLP is in the hands of record companies.

I think I've said enough.
Some will agree with me whilst others won't.

Please, discuss.

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Fabio_kun wrote:How can a band suddenly change from such deep complex music/lyrics to things such as Innocent, Do You Like It, Story About A Girl with poor lyrics and musical structures...




Music and Lyric's do not have to be complex to be good
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i see where you're going... i really wish they didn't have bob rock... he's molding the band to the way he wants them to sound/look... it's depressing... the lyrics are not up to raine's potential... i'm still looking forward to album #6 though... cuz not afraid sounds great... i miss the old OLP but i'm gonna try to appreciate their new music... come what may
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God! What do you expect from them?
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Johnathan, I don't think good music needs to be complex... but I know they are capable of making better music than that.
OLP's Gravity is just way too ordinary, specially compared to what they've done before.

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i wouldn't say that olp are "in the hands of record companies." in releasing the live album, the dvd, and the best of cd olp may be actually trying to get out of their contract by fulfilling the required amount of releases.
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Musically speaking, Gravity is a simple record. I said this before and I'll say this again, songs don't require complex lyrics and complex music to be good. Thats why I like Gravity so much. Its sooo simple.
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Johnathan wrote:Musically speaking, Gravity is a simple record. I said this before and I'll say this again, songs don't require complex lyrics and complex music to be good. Thats why I like Gravity so much. Its sooo simple.


Very simple, yes, and also very poppy. I'm not only talking of songs.. but about album cover and music videos, come on...

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Poppy??? How do you get poppy?


I don't think that Gravity is poppy in any way.
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ok first off, This progressing towards "simpler" music started on SM. Life started the progression towards what you see now. It was the last truly released single (yes RBY was the last single but got little to no play, and there was no video for it therefore it's not exactly a full single) and this led into Gravity. Life is a simple song and it allowed the next album to have a simple feel to it.

Every band progresses, some more than others. Look at the Beatles. They went from one extreme to the next and back again. I don't want to compare the Beatles to OLP but that's just an example of how bands can try different things.

Just because the fans aren't happy about the direction of the music doesn't mean the band isn't happy. Did you ever think that maybe they don't want to take that "complex" direction anymore? Thats why they got rid of Mike. He was a complex type of guy, and I'm sure this put strain on the other members. Makes sense doesn't it?

Also, you cannot say they are selling out. technically the moment you sign a record deal you have "sold out". They sold out almost 10 years ago when they signed a record deal without playing a live gig.

The band is maturing, they've found a direction they would like to persue. They want to become successful, and just because to you they're a success doesn't mean they believe they are. Yes they've made it in a tough business, but I'm sure to them they got there being a band that they weren't comfortable with.

Another thing, yes Bob Rock is a commercial producer, but obviously if the band felt they were wasting their time with him they'd try someone else. 4 records with lanni is a lot. Not many bands stick to one producer for that long.

If you don't like the direction they're taking then don't support them. What did you think they were gonna do for the Live album? Play every song they've ever done live and then put it on a multi-disc album? This album is sposed to be a live album from their Gravity tour and I think the choice of songs represent that tour very well. It's not supposed to reflect their "the world's a blister" tour or their Clumsy era. How many songs would you like them to record live and place on a cd? 20? 30? they aren't Pearl Jam. The guys know that every show of theirs is available in bootleg, They're not dumb. They just wanted to release a live cd for everyone to enjoy, especially those people who don't have the access to everything they've ever done. Because really, how many people do you think have access to all their stuff? Not a lot.

The guys seem excited about the upcoming album and I think thats a good reason for us to be excited as well, because if they weren't excited then we'd have a problem.
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Well Said dude! Well Said :thumbs:
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J-Neli, nice reply.

Well, I don't think SM goes into this simplicity, I think it's got quite complex and heavy (not in terms of sound) tunes such as If You Believe and The Wonderful Future.

Yes, the band says they're happy... but I just can't digest this idea. And I'll always support them, don't get me wrong...

Damn it's hard to put my words in english, considering it's not my main language. And yes, maybe all the complexicity (sp?) came from Mike, maybe not...

And alright, they want to become sucessful, but they seem to be making music TO BECOME sucessful, and that's what bothers me. A band will ALWAYS say they are happier than ever when they release an album and that that's their happiest tour and bla bla bla... it's not because they say it that it really is the true.

And about the live album... well, all their fans had been waiting for a live album for years already, and I think they should have thought a bit more about that. They should have at least put a whole gig into a CD, that would have been fair...

I am excited about their new album, I believe it might kick ass, this new abum will show us what Steve is capable of adding to the band in terms of composing.

I think their next album will really tell what they are up to...

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I'm really tossed up about this whole situation, and i'm not saying one way is right or wrong..but Fabio_kun's Post really expresses how im feeling right now. I just really can't wait until their next album comes out, I think that will be a good way to definitely make a judgement or to see which direction they are going. I love all of Our Lady Peace's albums. ALL OF THEM. they all give me something different. And from what i've heard of their new stuff i'm liking what i'm hearing (Not Afraid, Our Time Is Fading)...I just really hope that olp sticks to their morals and doesnt turn into what i'm afraid they may turn into with this Pepsi 'ordeal' Thanks.
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Fabio_kun wrote:Yes, the band says they're happy... but I just can't digest this idea.


Why cant you accept that they are happy?
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made to heal wrote:I'm really tossed up about this whole situation, and i'm not saying one way is right or wrong..but Fabio_kun's Post really expresses how im feeling right now. I just really can't wait until their next album comes out, I think that will be a good way to definitely make a judgement or to see which direction they are going. I love all of Our Lady Peace's albums. ALL OF THEM. they all give me something different. And from what i've heard of their new stuff i'm liking what i'm hearing (Not Afraid, Our Time Is Fading)...I just really hope that olp sticks to their morals and doesnt turn into what i'm afraid they may turn into with this Pepsi 'ordeal' Thanks.


Nice :)

I'm afraid they might become just another ordinary crappy MTV band :freak: :cry:

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Johnathan wrote:
Fabio_kun wrote:Yes, the band says they're happy... but I just can't digest this idea.


Why cant you accept that they are happy?


I don't really know how to explain... I just can't accecpt that the same Our Lady Peace that made videos such as In Repair, One Man Army, Thief is the one that makes videos such as Innocent, SOT and a album cover such as Gravity... I can't accept that they are happy with this.

Maybe it's just me though... :roll:

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Why are you so negative?
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Fabio_kun wrote:Maybe it's just me though..


Maybe. I think the Gravity cover is fine, Its just a picture

as for the SOT and Innocent video's, well they're just vidoes.
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I don't think I'm being negative, but rather realistic... all you gotta do is see everything and how they've changed.

Well... that's the thing, some, see it as a picture and as videos... nothing besides that. Anyway, we got different points of view... leave it as it is.

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Well..we all have opinions eh?
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