Rock Sound Article... Raine Discusses Mike

neoncrossing · Post by **neoncrossing** » 10/28/2002, 12:17 pm

after reading the wide range of dicussion in this thread i am going to put my thoughts in:

I love OLP whether they have Chris Eacrett or Duncan Coutts, Mike Turner or Steve Mazur....No matter who has been there, the music has been phenomenal and in my opinion light years above everything else out there....The band didnt change their lineup and sound to sell out and hit it big.....what they did was finally get their sound to where they have always wanted it to be. With Mike in the band, they werent happy with where the sound was going and how he worked and wanted a guitar player who was the voice of the band instead of ambient (musically speaking). The live shows were great before and are still great, and the albums with mike are great, just like gravity is great. It is amazing that ppl can call gravity shit when it is really a great record. Each OLP record is different in its own way and captures the mood and setting of their recording sessions at each time. With gravity, the band wanted more of a rock sound as the last couple of albums were for the most part a little softer....as far as raine dissing mike in the article, it kinda sucked.......but i am happy with the change they made.....Steve Mazur is amazing to watch and listen to live....anyone who has seen him live will agree with me and anyone who has not seen him live will find out soon enough how much energy and charisma that he brings to the show.....I think the change in the band's lineup has helped them become closer and better as a band and will prolong their rock star careers indefinitely.....they say they feel like a new band and have never felt better.......thats what we want so they will continue to make great music forever.....we will see them live for years to come with many more awesome and probably different records.

I am in no way dissing Mike Turner, i am just applauding the band for being so awesome as a whole, with whoever they have in the lineup!!!!!

Sorry for the long rant!!!!!

Bendy · Post by **Bendy** » 10/28/2002, 12:40 pm

"I wonder why all the other records took months with Turner, and this one took ten weeks. HMMM.... I wonder. "

Gravity sounds like it was recorded within weeks... and that's not a good thing.

neoncrossing · Post by **neoncrossing** » 10/28/2002, 1:45 pm

its a good thing if the record sounds good.........which gravity does......they recorded bring back the sun right off the floor in one take instead of recording the instruments separately and mixing them together with computers.....thats a quality band!!!!

Odin · Post by **Odin** » 10/28/2002, 4:33 pm

I think a lot of us are misunderstanding what Raine said, to me, Raine basically said Mike is more of an overall-musical producer than a guitarist, remember how Raine said Mike was focused on the "sound" instead of the heavy guitar riffs that they are looking for right now.

As for Raine saying "But with the fifth album you get to a point where if you want to keep going you have to make a change". I don't know if he is saying "with the fifth album you get to a point where if you want to make it big you have to make a change" or what, if this is true, then we can fairly say "Gravity" is a product made to sell out. But if he is merely saying the band needs a change because the band as a collective has evolved into a new direction through out the years, then "Gravity" is a reflection on what the band is experiencing right now. Which speculation is correct? God might know, Odin doesn't.

FaninOregon wrote:Mike didn't do a lot of solos or play parts very different from the albums during concerts

I hope you heard the "Hope" bootleg, and I would have to say that Mike has better knowledge on playing techniques, that's what's stated on a biography of Mike (I forgot where). Take the "Is anybody Home" guitar solo for example, Steve no longer does that during live shows, Steve just played a crazy solo of power chords. This concludes that Raine didn't say Mike is a bad guitar player, but Mike is not a guitar player that's suitable for the band right now.

I hear Raine Maida is becoming a real asshole

smoking_monkey · Post by **smoking_monkey** » 10/28/2002, 5:19 pm

i think that olp are just going through some hard times right now. or at least thats how it looks to me. i havent seen OLP live yet with Steve (i will soon :mrgreen:

) but on the records, i like mike playing the guitar better. maybe its because OLP wanted a simple record this time, but im guessing steve is capable of much more.

CODITH · Post by **CODITH** » 10/28/2002, 5:33 pm

OLP arent going through hard times now, i think there as on top as they can get. I think you have to look at a few things, SM and happiness were there lowest selling CD's, with SM selling the lower of the two, when you really come down to it, doesnt matter what fucking band you are, when you go from selling 2.5 million on Clumsy to selling 90 000 -100 000 cds theres a big fucking difference. Without change there would be no growth no matter how fucking good it really is, and all olp cds are just fucking awesome. When you see that if they didnt make the changes you might not see olp now or ever again, and i think most of you would want to see them again or you wouldnt be here. Mike was a great guitarist, though raine might not amit it he probally loved the fucking guy, but when you need a new feel and sound then you have to make adjustments. Steve is the fucking bomb, the man was born with a guitar. He makes gravity 10X better. Not enough, all for you, Sorry are the shits, Not enough is probally my fav song that they have done since naveed so thats saying alot from this new Cd. No doubt raines move was right, personally i would pick steve over mike. I think olp now that there persona they will be around for a lengthened amount of time which is great, and im sure they havent yet released the best work you have seen yet. So we can wait and see what other great stuff will be persued.

smoking_monkey · Post by **smoking_monkey** » 10/28/2002, 5:40 pm

when i said olp are going through some hard times, i didnt mean by gravity selling cds, i meant by the music industry it self. it seems like they absoultly had to make a change, and i dont know weather they wanted it or not.

EDIT:

i dont know it if its true or not but it sure sounds stupid.

ArlieKoz13 · Post by **ArlieKoz13** » 10/28/2002, 5:41 pm

Does anyone else realize that Raine didn't make this decision by himself? I know that Raine's the only one actually coming out and saying all this stuff about Mike, but honestly, magazines wouldn't be as interested if Duncan were saying it. It was a mutual agreement between everyone.

Xavier870 · Post by **Xavier870** » 10/28/2002, 5:42 pm

Endymion · Post by **Endymion** » 10/28/2002, 6:21 pm

kulganflame wrote:that's bullshit. people like you piss me off. yeah it sucks that mike left, but there's no point in bashing the band because they made a change. if something doesn't change then it becomes stagnant.

I'm not bashing the band because they made a change, I'm bashing the band because they made a lame record. The sort of record they always said they'd never make, for that matter.

kulganflame wrote:Gravity doesn't sound like the rest of their albums, but then again, none of their albums sound terribly alike. you can't judge a bands musical integrity because of a change in style.

You can absolutely judge a band's musical integrity because of a change in style. You can judge a band by whatever measure you want, actually.

kulganflame wrote:lots of people say that OLP sold out for this album. i don't get how this can be said. the band changed their sound and struck it big. it's not like OLP turned into O-town or n*sync. they just adapeted their sound. people need to stop living in the past. if you're truly a fan of OLP you'll respect their decisions.

I'm not a fan of OLP, I'm a fan of most of their music.

kulganflame wrote:i'm sure they have good reasons for everything that they do and we have no place to judge them because of it.

I bought the album, I can judge them based on what I paid for.

Post by **faninor** » 10/28/2002, 6:26 pm

Odin wrote:I hope you heard the "Hope" bootleg, and I would have to say that Mike has better knowledge on playing techniques, that's what's stated on a biography of Mike (I forgot where). Take the "Is anybody Home" guitar solo for example, Steve no longer does that during live shows, Steve just played a crazy solo of power chords.

I have heard bootlegs of Hope. That's why I used the words "a lot."

By the way, here is a quote I just looked up:

Before Our Lady Peace, Mike played in several Canadian punk bands back in the eighties. He has mixed feelings about those experiences. "I probably pissed away eight years of my life when I could've been learning to become a better guitarist," he says. "The whole punk movement was necessary and relevant because it showed people that music wasn't all about technique. Unfortunately, that ethic mutated into the idea that you shouldn't learn to play your instrument, and that got me really twisted."

When OLP formed in 1992, Mike went back and took formal guitar lessons, and learned how to play properly.

Here's another quote:

Steve wrote:I started playing guitar when I was 7. My sisters were taking piano lessons and so my Mom had me start taking guitar lessons. I took lessons for a bunch of years from the best teacher a guy could have, and then I went to music college in Boston at Berklee.

luckyJQ9 · Post by **luckyJQ9** » 10/28/2002, 7:00 pm

"It's getting hot in here...so take off all your clothes..." :nod:

Susan · Post by **Susan** » 10/28/2002, 7:02 pm

*head explodes*

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 10/28/2002, 7:05 pm

What an ungrateful asshole.

Hmm... who was it that started this precious band of Raine's again...? *thins*

Susan · Post by **Susan** » 10/28/2002, 7:15 pm

If it wasn't for Mike's mad idea to ditch a shitty job, and go after what he really wanted, the wouldn't even be and OLP to speak of.

ArlieKoz13 · Post by **ArlieKoz13** » 10/28/2002, 7:16 pm

Oh lord..

the android · Post by **the android** » 10/28/2002, 7:48 pm

What'd I say about mass debate?

Yeah. I was right.

I'll probably avoid this topic, it'll just...aggravate me.

ArlieKoz13 · Post by **ArlieKoz13** » 10/28/2002, 7:56 pm

Ditto.

Fluffy · Post by **Fluffy** » 10/28/2002, 8:01 pm

I just read this whole thread and all I have to say is this

Amazing. Truly Amazing.

tasha · Post by **tasha** » 10/28/2002, 8:02 pm

su7an wrote:If it wasn't for Mike's mad idea to ditch a shitty job, and go after what he really wanted, the wouldn't even be and OLP to speak of.