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joe_canadian wrote:let's explain this simple math to WB.

fewer acts = fewer new releases = fewer albums for consumers to choose from = less money for you

they're doing this while the cost of cd's is at an all time high, and they wonder why the industry is in a decline.


Let's explain this simple math to Joe.

fewer acts = fewer dollars lost on promotion = fewer dollars lost on studio time and technicians for underperforming albums = more money for the label during a time of industry decline = a label that's still around in 5 years when the industry pulls out of this and can start signing up new bands again.
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Major labels aren't the best at managing the money they invest in bands.

There is a difference between giving a recently signed band enough money to make a record and giving them an advance so huge they don't know what to do with it, other than spend it on state-of-the-art tour buses.

One does not need to spend millions of dollars on a producer for a just-signed band's debut CD. You don't need to go to a mansion to record. People record albums in their living rooms and basements and can sell records.
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I guess it's alright for Built To Spill. I mean, they're going to get one hell of a deal from an indie label when they sign with someone. They're so fucking awesome and can sell albums. They own all.
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Warner used to have some interesting, creative people working at the label. I guess they've all left for better things, and we're all stuck with the dumbasses who haven't bought a CD in 20 years.


I'm sorry, I know this is completely irrelevant...but I am 20 and cds sure as hell weren't out when I was born. It was all about cassette tapes :lol:

Once again, sorry.
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Actually, 3EB is possibly getting cut. Its not definite yet, but they're on "the chopping block." In my opinion, they're last album was excellent, and based on the comment posted on the board right after the album release, most people would agree (I remember someone saying it was sure to be album of the year). Maybe the lack of its success is due to bad promotion and marketing? In fact, I think it is, and I didn't really think of it, but thats one reason for the huge cuts (aside from being more profitable, of couse) - but they can focus more attention on fewer groups to avoid the bad marketing/promotion/etc in the future. I don't agree with it though...
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definitely an amaizing album :nod:
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So I just bought Perfect From now on. The main reason I chose that CD was I saw the cover and the first thing that popped into my head was "spiritual machines". I'm listening to it right now. It's incredible!
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Narbus wrote:
joe_canadian wrote:let's explain this simple math to WB.

fewer acts = fewer new releases = fewer albums for consumers to choose from = less money for you

they're doing this while the cost of cd's is at an all time high, and they wonder why the industry is in a decline.


Let's explain this simple math to Joe.

fewer acts = fewer dollars lost on promotion = fewer dollars lost on studio time and technicians for underperforming albums = more money for the label during a time of industry decline = a label that's still around in 5 years when the industry pulls out of this and can start signing up new bands again.


http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html

"If the record industry had gone forward with the 12,000 releases that it cut back over the past two years and only sold 3,000 copies of each title (a loser in record company terms), both the units shipped and total sales would have continued to climb as they had in previous years."

Even pathetic sales on the part of the "unsuccessful" acts that were dropped would have payed for the loans their label granted them. With so many being dropped, they will lose out.
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70x7 wrote:
Warner used to have some interesting, creative people working at the label. I guess they've all left for better things, and we're all stuck with the dumbasses who haven't bought a CD in 20 years.


I'm sorry, I know this is completely irrelevant...but I am 20 and cds sure as hell weren't out when I was born. It was all about cassette tapes :lol:

Once again, sorry.


You're right. I wasn't really focusing on format.
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hpdfk wrote:So I just bought Perfect From now on. The main reason I chose that CD was I saw the cover and the first thing that popped into my head was "spiritual machines". I'm listening to it right now. It's incredible!


Fuck yes!

That album is hard to get into if you aren't already a Built To Spill fan. Artistically, it's their best album. The easiest to get into is "Keep it Like a Secret" and their overall best album is "There's Nothing Wrong With Love."

Yeah, you made a wise choice my friend.
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"I would hurt a fly" is currently the most noteworthy track in my mind
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That's probably their best song. That, "Reasons," "Big Dipper" "Car" or "You Were Right"

Goddamnit, I have to listen to them now. Thanks.
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"The Plan" is one of the best opening songs ever.
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I can't believe they're dropping Green Day. :freak:
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thats messed up. Warning sold around a million copies, and that was not concidered to be their best album or anything. And with the whole Good Charlotte punk revival, you'd figure their next album would sell really well.
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Well, personally... Warning's my favorite GD album.

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I can't wait for the new one.

It should be good! :thumbs: :mrgreen:
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:nod: I love them. They're amazing live, you ever seen 'em?
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for, no religion too, imagine all the people, living <font color="#FFFFFF">life</font> in peace...</font>

<font color="#89CDCC">Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, no need for greed or <font color="#FFFFFF">hunger</font>,
a brotherhood of man, imagine all the people, sharing all the <font color="#FFFFFF">world</font>...</font>

<font color="#B1DFDE">You may say I'm a <font color="#FFFFFF">dreamer</font>, but I'm not the only one, I hope
some day you'll join us, and the world will <font color="#FFFFFF">live</font> as one.</font></center></font>
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