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us plans death camp

Posted: 5/28/2003, 11:31 am
by starvingeyes
http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/p ... 00,00.html

US plans death camp

26may03

THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber.

Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.
The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.

The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for 18 months.

General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was to have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber.

The Mail on Sunday reported the move is seen as logical by the US, which has been attacked worldwide for breaching the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war since it established the camp at a naval base to hold alleged terrorists from Afghanistan.

But it has horrified human rights groups and lawyers representing detainees.

They see it as the clearest indication America has no intention of falling in line with internationally recognised justice.

The US has already said detainees would be tried by tribunals, without juries or appeals to a higher court. Detainees will be allowed only US lawyers.

British activist Stephen Jakobi, of Fair Trials Abroad, said: "The US is kicking and screaming against any pressure to conform with British or any other kind of international justice."

American law professor Jonathan Turley, who has led US civil rights group protests against the military tribunals planned to hear cases at Guantanamo Bay, said: "It is not surprising the authorities are building a death row because they have said they plan to try capital cases before these tribunals.

"This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists."

Britain admitted it had been kept in the dark about the plans.

A Downing St spokesman said: "The US Government is well aware of the British Government's position on the death penalty."

Posted: 5/28/2003, 1:05 pm
by Sufjan Stevens
Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.


Ummmm, last time I checked, isn't that one of those major rights that Americans fought for a couple centuries ago? Can some one look that up for me?

I could have sworn everyone was given right to a trial and an appeal, but I guess not....

Yet again, America just proves they want to be the assholes of the world. Way to go!

Posted: 5/28/2003, 1:09 pm
by starvingeyes
indeed. and this nazi-parallelism thing is just going too damn far.

Posted: 5/28/2003, 1:41 pm
by Dabekk
starving eyes wrote:indeed. and this nazi-parallelism thing is just going too damn far.


i was just thinking that.

Posted: 6/1/2003, 10:59 am
by thirdhour
if you are a foreign citizen being held by the american authorities, don't you have like zippo rights?

a trial and an appeal is only for american citizens, and even then...

Posted: 6/1/2003, 11:05 am
by Neil
:lol: Hey, might as well execute them instead of looking like complete tools and holding them rediculously for months and months.

The U.S. bitches about Cuba, Castro, and their human rights.......and ummm look at Camp X-Ray?

Posted: 6/1/2003, 11:58 am
by nelison
thirdhour wrote:if you are a foreign citizen being held by the american authorities, don't you have like zippo rights?

a trial and an appeal is only for american citizens, and even then...


thats almost like making a case for polish jews being put in camps...
what I just said is kinda flawed since they also killed german jews but still

Posted: 6/1/2003, 12:01 pm
by faninor
Dunno where you get your information but foreigners have rights too!

Posted: 6/1/2003, 1:38 pm
by I AM ME
yeah foreigners are tried under american law i believe, or actually ussually i think they are given over to the native embassy and the people are punished by their own countires laws, unless the laws are considered extremely lenient or severe

Posted: 6/1/2003, 2:14 pm
by thirdhour
i have no idea, i was asking if that was true...

and im not even close to saying its right, im saying it would be whacked if it was that way.

and i definatly wasn't making a case for it, i was being sarcastic. i think thats horrible.