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Man Arrested for Wearing Peace T-Shirt

Posted: 3/5/2003, 11:17 am
by Johnny
ALBANY, N.Y. - A man was charged with trespassing in a mall after he refused to take off a T-shirt that said "Peace on Earth" and "Give peace a chance."


Mall security approached Stephen Downs, 61, and his 31-year-old son, Roger, on Monday night after they were spotted wearing the T-shirts at Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, the men said.


The two said they were asked to remove the shirts made at a store there, or leave the mall. They refused.


The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took his T-shirt off, but the father refused.


"'I said, `All right then, arrest me if you have to,'" Downs said. "So that's what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away."


Downs pleaded innocent to the charges Monday night. The New York Civil Liberties Union said it would help with his case if asked.


Police Chief James Murley said his officers were just responding to a complaint by mall security.


"We don't care what they have on their shirts, but they were asked to leave the property, and it's private property," Murley said.


A mall spokeswoman did not return calls Tuesday seeking comment.


Monday's arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests.


Whats Next? :uh:

Posted: 3/5/2003, 12:25 pm
by Joey
I'm so glad I don't live in the US

Posted: 3/5/2003, 12:26 pm
by Sufjan Stevens
It's great, you can wear a shirt with a peace symbol on it and get arrested, but if you were to wear a shirt that said "Murder Sadaam" and those same cops would shake your hand. Stupidity owns the world.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 12:59 pm
by Bandalero
the guy with the peace shirt is going to win his case in court, easily i might add too.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 1:05 pm
by superrgirll
some guy from work told me at the nba all-star game, steve nash was wearing some sort of peace shirt, and he got in trouble for wearing it.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 2:42 pm
by starvingeyes
reno_ruelas wrote:the guy with the peace shirt is going to win his case in court, easily i might add too.


i hope not.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 2:44 pm
by Sufjan Stevens
You think it is wrong for a person to wear a peace shirt? If that is the case, I find it wrong for you to go on this message board. Either leave or get arrested.



Think that is ignorant? I bet the guy thought it was too. He wore a fucking shirt.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 2:46 pm
by Axtech
You're right. He shouldn't win his case. He was asked to leave, and he didn't.

However, he should counter-charge / sue the mall for unlawful discrimination.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 2:50 pm
by happening fish
that article didn't exactly give the whole story, it's possible that he was being very disruptive. The mall has a right to kick you off their property, you know, and it's the police's job to back them up. I somehow doubt that the shirt was the reason behind his being asked to leave, that was probably just some sort of publicity stunt...

Posted: 3/5/2003, 2:56 pm
by nelison
I think thats the basis of it though,
the man wore a peace shirt and was kicked out because of it. It's sad.
I can't imagine two grown men walking in a mall being a nuissance, there's no way that could be omitted from so many stories that have been written.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:00 pm
by Axtech
Where's the story from?

My guess is a biased anti-war website...

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:07 pm
by Corey
CNN

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:09 pm
by Bandalero
i saw the same exact article on yahoo news.

i'm thinking the mall thought that they were some activists that were in the mall a few months ago.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:09 pm
by liam
fuck that, i'll go into a mall wearing what i want, and after reading this shit i'll probably find a shirt similar and wear it to the mall

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:11 pm
by Corey
My guess is that the security guards assumed the man was associated with the activists from 3 months before. It's ok to kick people out that are trying to rally on your property.

From what I can gather, this guy was merely wearing the shirt and wasn't doing anything wrong.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:12 pm
by Bandalero
that's what i'm saying corey, damn were good. :D

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:19 pm
by Corey
reno_ruelas wrote:that's what i'm saying corey, damn were good. :D


Yeah I see you outposted me though :P

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:28 pm
by Bandalero
yup, come to think about it, i think this case won't even see the courtroom, the mall will just settle out of court. either way they screwed up.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:32 pm
by starvingeyes
my point is that it's private property and they can tell you to get off of it for any reason they particularily feel. i think this is a dumb reason, sure, but none the less.

Posted: 3/5/2003, 3:34 pm
by Corey
I would normally agree... but the shirt was sold to the man in the very Mall he was wearing it in.