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areusad831 · Post by **areusad831** » 3/17/2003, 5:19 pm

We may not be using weapons of "mass destruction" but we are using weapons that will create "mass destruction"

Rayden · Post by **Rayden** » 3/17/2003, 5:20 pm

I really don't care to associate with people who don't support our Constitution or our country. if you don't like it, leave it. Thats how the story goes.

Capo · Post by **Capo** » 3/17/2003, 5:21 pm

chrisaddam hussein wrote:
are you going to try and defend your points, or have you just decided to continue repeating the same propaganda feed over, and over, and over?

The fact is I have defended my points chris, its you who keeps repeating the same thing over and over again, and i just have to defend it over and over again.

You have not even given a reason why we shoudl not attack Iraq. Your saying pretty much that we shoudl just let saddam have his weapons and hope he doesnt decide to go button happy.

Rayden · Post by **Rayden** » 3/17/2003, 5:24 pm

btw , your not even hardcore, so why don't you stop reading bumper stickers.and if u want to kick my ass, or w/e do it, I don't care, im ready for all comers. Im american Im pround and i glad we have freedom. Maybe if you had a real mommy and daddy, they would teach you respect for your country.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 3/17/2003, 5:25 pm

you use your weapons on countries you don't like.

example: afganhistan
example #2: iraq
example #3: vietname

need i go on? as for innocent lives being lost, that's what happens in a war. war like the one the USA is starting.

america is dangerous. should they be disarmed?

Capo · Post by **Capo** » 3/17/2003, 5:27 pm

chrisaddam hussein wrote:
America will have to use its military might to push thru saddams forced and take him out of office so innocent people dont get killed by WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

and they intend to do this by? killing innocent people with weapons of mass destruction. justify this logically please.

ok chris, lets weight out the damage, either Saddam uses his weapons of mass destruction against innocent people like the palastines as you call them, and others as he sees fit, or we send in our military, kill off his MILITARY FORCE, and take him out of office, I dont get how you see use using weapons of mass destrucion against innocent people? We are going in via military style, the type of combat that was used in WW2, we areng going to use chemical weapons, or nukes. We are simply going to play the game of warfare.

and I sleep pretty well at night thank you.

areusad831 · Post by **areusad831** » 3/17/2003, 5:28 pm

Rayden wrote:btw , your not even hardcore, so why don't you stop reading bumper stickers.and if u want to kick my ass, or w/e do it, I don't care, im ready for all comers. Im american Im pround and i glad we have freedom. Maybe if you had a real mommy and daddy, they would teach you respect for your country.

how old are you?

you do not have respect from anyone, as of tommorow it is almost certain you will not be allowed on this site. I really hope one day you realize why you were banned and why people will have no respect for you.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 3/17/2003, 5:29 pm

Capo wrote:You have not even given a reason why we shoudl not attack Iraq. Your saying pretty much that we shoudl just let saddam have his weapons and hope he doesnt decide to go button happy.

well, why shouldn't we? that's what we're doing with the US, right?

areusad831 · Post by **areusad831** » 3/17/2003, 5:30 pm

what makes you think the US will not use their weapons for unjust reasons? We have already gone against the UN making us just as bad as Iraq in that area.

Capo · Post by **Capo** » 3/17/2003, 5:31 pm

Doug Bin Laden wrote:

america is dangerous. should they be disarmed?

How are we dangerous, I think most of the world is just pissed off because America is acting like the World Police. Well since we are the leading world Superpower, why the hell not? Someone has got to take control and it has to be us. We dont need to disarm, because no country fears us as even thinking of using our nukes on them, (except maybe Iraq because of what they have started) But iraq is besides the point, noone bitched about us having Weapons of mass destrucion before all of this, why should they now?

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 3/17/2003, 5:31 pm

because one nation with all the guns IS dangerous to human freedom. do i need to explain why?

Capo · Post by **Capo** » 3/17/2003, 5:32 pm

Doug Bin Laden wrote:
Capo wrote:You have not even given a reason why we shoudl not attack Iraq. Your saying pretty much that we shoudl just let saddam have his weapons and hope he doesnt decide to go button happy.

well, why shouldn't we? that's what we're doing with the US, right?

I have given reasons why we shoudl attack, now I believ it is your turn to give reasons why we shouldnt. unless you just like to argue with people and have no defence.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 3/17/2003, 5:32 pm

capo

iraq is not at war with israel. palestine is.

you believe that you should invade iraq because

1. saddam hussein is a war criminal
a. so is george w. bush. he is your president.
b. there is no regime on the face of the planet earth more reknowned for
committing war crimes in the most brutal and savage fashion as the
israeli one. they are your closest ally.

fact: the united states of america supports war crimes and war criminals when it suits them. how then, can you claim that it is morally or even logically justified to invade a country because the leader is a war criminal?

2. iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
a. so does the us

why then, is it ok for the united states government to decide who is allowed what weapons? why do they continue to arm the israeli government despite israel attacking americans [ in the 6 day war ] and routinely killing innocent people, including women and children, in palestine?

furthermore, there is no evidence iraq has WMD. the weapons inspection process has been plauged with failures and lies from the start.

lastly, i don't mean to be condescending but i can tell from your posts you don't know alot about the situation. perhaps you should research it a bit more and try to expand your information base. for example, iraq has never been at war with pakistan or palestine.

i have stated why you should not go to war with iraq: because thousands of innocent people will lose their lives. i have even suggested an alternative to removing hussein that you people will find palatable.

however, i do not support any action against iraq, just to make that clear.

Capo · Post by **Capo** » 3/17/2003, 5:39 pm

chrisaddam hussein wrote:capo

iraq is not at war with israel. palestine is.

you believe that you should invade iraq because

1. saddam hussein is a war criminal
a. so is george w. bush. he is your president.

I do not believe we shoudl invade him because of this, I'm saying other countries are agreeing with us based on the fact that he has commiteed war crimes, and fully support the invasion of Iraq because of this. I support the war because he armed himself out of nowhere and could easily decide to launch weapons of mass destruction anywere he chooses. This is not a good thing because innocent people would die.

You are basically saying that saddam should own weaapons of mass destruction just because the US does.

And how can you say that George Bush is a war criminial? I have herd nothing about him signing any documentation about the execution of ANY people. Nor have I herd you say anything that states he is a war criminal that you can back up with a resource.

And now sadly, I must go eat dinner, this keyboard and this 56k modem have tired me.

Capo · Post by **Capo** » 3/17/2003, 5:45 pm

chrisaddam hussein wrote:

i have stated why you should not go to war with iraq: because thousands of innocent people will lose their lives. i have even suggested an alternative to removing hussein that you people will find palatable.

Welp, I'm all ears, lets here it then.

sandsleeper · Post by **sandsleeper** » 3/17/2003, 5:52 pm

here's my two cents, and i doubt as if its worth even that.

first of all, if there are such things as evil people in the world, i would like to declare saddam as evil, despite my firm beliefs in postmodernist relativism which forbid such a declaration. the things he has done to his own people, the ways he has manipulated them and made them live in fear- it's somthing only a power hungry animal could be capable of. and perhaps he does believe he's doing his people good, but i have eyes enough to see that he isn't. this point i think we all could agree on.

however when it comes to the role of the United States in this whole matter I claim stupidity. how could i, a mere citizen, have any comprehension of what the us gov't knows or does not know? how could i even begin to guess at their motives? the media is by no means a measure of truth, they know only as much as the government tells them. and undoubtedly the government is pulling the wool over all of our eyes to some extent, as they should be, it would be a direct threat to national security if they disclosed all of their information and motives. i mean just take the Pentagon Papers for example. i doubt the media really uncovers all that much, but for the love of cheese, if they could discover all that then imagine the things they didn't discover about vietnam? and don't think the government doesn't have just as many devastating secrets and papers now, they're just smarter about them.

and oy i've fogotten where i'm going with all of this! but if i'm learning one thing about this whole debacle, it's that ego is what makes the world go round. always has been, don't know why i never saw it before.

and oh yeah, i have major issues with Bush taking such actions without the approval of the UN. We're the United States: we're powerful, not special or even neccessarily smart.

and i'm sure i've made many a tragic err in the above statement, but i'm done so no need to attack me.

ps. this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic but all this talk about gays and "acceptance of their lifestyle" is crap. people will be who they are, they don't need any one of us to accept it, so stop acting like your opinion makes a difference. it's just another form of diversity.

Capo · Post by **Capo** » 3/17/2003, 6:05 pm

Hmm, I must say that everyone got owned, if there are any posts after this one flaming about the war they must have some secret military documentation or some kind of hack into government intelligence files...

BUT THE BET IS STILL ON, PLACE EM HERE!

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 3/17/2003, 6:15 pm

Capo wrote:I have herd nothing about him signing any documentation about the execution of ANY people.

george bush led all governors in the number of executions he sanctioned or signed for while the gov of texas

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 3/17/2003, 6:16 pm

areusad831 wrote:
Rayden wrote:btw , your not even hardcore, so why don't you stop reading bumper stickers.and if u want to kick my ass, or w/e do it, I don't care, im ready for all comers. Im american Im pround and i glad we have freedom. Maybe if you had a real mommy and daddy, they would teach you respect for your country.

how old are you?

you do not have respect from anyone, as of tommorow it is almost certain you will not be allowed on this site. I really hope one day you realize why you were banned and why people will have no respect for you.

Thank you rob. That's all I have to say at the moment.

areusad831 · Post by **areusad831** » 3/17/2003, 6:17 pm

Capo wrote:Hmm, I must say that everyone got owned, if there are any posts after this one flaming about the war they must have some secret military documentation or some kind of hack into government intelligence files...

BUT THE BET IS STILL ON, PLACE EM HERE!

dont you fuckin get it. we arent going to place bets on people dying.