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starvingeyes wrote:

Axtech wrote:

mosaik wrote:He's back now so i'll let him answer.

But I will say that asking him to stop making light of gender issues does sound a lot like controlling him, doesn't it?

Granted, but it's also a matter of protecting the freedoms of everyone else on the board to not be subjected to reading offensive material - something that has always been enforced on this board, and something to which everyone agreed when they registered.

bullshit total lie rob. you SELECTIVELY enforce this rule. admit that at least.

We enforce it when it needs to be enforced. You've offended more people in a couple of days than most people do in all of their years here.

so it doesn't need to be enforced when it's me that's offended?

unbelievable. where the FUCK do you get the nerve man?

Yes, it does need to be enforced. I apologize if it hasn't been. I've been spending all of my time today replying to your god damned PMs and posts.

Axtech wrote:Granted, but it's also a matter of protecting the freedoms of everyone else on the board to not be subjected to reading offensive material - something that has always been enforced on this board, and something to which everyone agreed when they registered.

Okay, it does say in the TOS that all posters agree not to post offensive or abusive material and I will not dispute that.

But do you agree that offensive is a sweeping term and many different people are offended by many different things?

I don't think you ever apologized to people who were offended by your jokes about beating girlfriends.

Actually, I think all you did was call them wimps.

So maybe you should read the threads yourself before yelling at Nikki.

I have never edited one of your posts and I do not know what content was removed from your old posts to be replaced by things that you found to be offensive personally so I can't comment on that or attempt to justify it at the moment.

Yes, I do agree to that. I've had this conversation with your brother. I'd say you can ask him for my responses, but I doubt he'd give them to you since he ignored them when I gave them to him.

Fact is, Chris offended a number of people. I asked him to stop.

It's that fucking simple.

Anyone else would have said "whoops, sorry." Instead, Chris got defensive. I explained the reasoning behind it EXTENSIVELY, and he has yet to defend his own actions or give any reason why we shouldn't have asked him to stop.

In any case, it doesn't matter. He has no right to intentionally offend people. That's why we asked him to stop - to let him know that he was offending people and that he wouldn't be allowed to continue.

mosaik wrote:

Axtech wrote:Granted, but it's also a matter of protecting the freedoms of everyone else on the board to not be subjected to reading offensive material - something that has always been enforced on this board, and something to which everyone agreed when they registered.

Okay, it does say in the TOS that all posters agree not to post offensive or abusive material and I will not dispute that.

But do you agree that offensive is a sweeping term and many different people are offended by many different things?

of course we can't always predict what might offend someone. But if I say something that offends, and I am approached and warned or asked to stop, I would stop.

faninor wrote:I don't think you ever apologized to people who were offended by your jokes about beating girlfriends.

Actually, I think all you did was call them wimps.

So maybe you should read the threads yourself before yelling at Nikki.

I have never edited one of your posts and I do not know what content was removed from your old posts to be replaced by things that you found to be offensive personally so I can't comment on that or attempt to justify it at the moment.

it's over a year old. if you like i can provide links.

rob and nikki happily admit that it happend so i don't know why i should be made to prove it in any case.

and you're right i didn't start apologizing until thread #2. i think i am confusing what i said to rob in PMs with what i said in threads. my mistake.

nikki is still fucking nuts though.

Kathy14 wrote:

mosaik wrote:

Axtech wrote:Granted, but it's also a matter of protecting the freedoms of everyone else on the board to not be subjected to reading offensive material - something that has always been enforced on this board, and something to which everyone agreed when they registered.

Okay, it does say in the TOS that all posters agree not to post offensive or abusive material and I will not dispute that.

But do you agree that offensive is a sweeping term and many different people are offended by many different things?

of course we can't always predict what might offend someone. But if I say something that offends, and I am approached and warned or asked to stop, I would stop.

caught in a lie. you were both informed and warned that you were offending me earlier and yet you just did it again. i made a joke, you didn't like it, so therefore it's "stupid". offensive. intetionally thus. and you'd recieved a warning from a mod in the SAME thread about it. moments earlier, actually.

hmmm....?

Axtech wrote:
Fact is, Chris offended a number of people. I asked him to stop.

It's that fucking simple.

I follow you so far. I'll restate once more that he was only playing and then I'll move on to the rest of your post.

In any case, it doesn't matter. He has no right to intentionally offend people. That's why we asked him to stop - to let him know that he was offending people and that he wouldn't be allowed to continue.

You cannot discuss what his rights are and are not. You may however say that while he is posting on this message board you will not permit him to make statements that you consider to be inflammatory.

All I am asking you to do is make sure than when you consider the nature of his comments, make sure that they are in fact intended to start a flame fest. Unbiased judgement is all I want.

Take him with a grain of salt and we will all be happier.

Kathy14 wrote:of course we can't always predict what might offend someone. But if I say something that offends, and I am approached and warned or asked to stop, I would stop.

and do you believe that in that instance, stopping would be the right course of action?

starvingeyes wrote:caught in a lie. you were both informed and warned that you were offending me earlier and yet you just did it again. i made a joke, you didn't like it, so therefore it's "stupid". offensive. intetionally thus. and you'd recieved a warning from a mod in the SAME thread about it. moments earlier, actually.

hmmm....?

I'm sorry if you were offended by that. It's not like I started calling you names, as you have been doing all night. You say you're a great debater yet you resort to name-calling like my 5 year old nephew.

Looks like we've all been offended now at some point in this conversation.

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Axtech wrote:Yes, I do agree to that. I've had this conversation with your brother. I'd say you can ask him for my responses, but I doubt he'd give them to you since he ignored them when I gave them to him.

Fact is, Chris offended a number of people. I asked him to stop.

It's that fucking simple.

Anyone else would have said "whoops, sorry." Instead, Chris got defensive. I explained the reasoning behind it EXTENSIVELY, and he has yet to defend his own actions or give any reason why we shouldn't have asked him to stop.

In any case, it doesn't matter. He has no right to intentionally offend people. That's why we asked him to stop - to let him know that he was offending people and that he wouldn't be allowed to continue.

1. i never challenged your right to tell me to stop etc. all i wanted was for you to explain the reasons why you were doing it and for you to hear mine as to why i think you shouldn't. i merely wanted to discuss the principle behind censoring me. it's not like i was refusing to stop, in fact i did. i haven't made any jokes of that nature since that thread. it appears though that a lot of what i say offends SOMEBODY on this board and unfortunately i cannot always predict when that is going to happen. however since our little chat you'll notice that i have been apologizing immediately to everyone i offend, even if i personally believe they are over reacting.

2. i don't want the right to intentionally offend anybody and have never fought for it.

Kathy14 wrote:I'm sorry if you were offended by that. It's not like I started calling you names, as you have been doing all night. You say you're a great debater yet you resort to name-calling like my 5 year old nephew.

Looks like we've all been offended now at some point in this conversation.

have i called you any names? have i called anybody any names except for nikki, who frankly, fucking deserves that and more?

she's an exception. she has long since forgone the right to expect civil treatment from me. in fact i'm sure she's quite thrilled that i am finally ready to let her know just what a bitch i think she is. gives her more to ban me with later, not like it fucking matters it banning me is justified or not.

well, first of all we're apparently all wimps. Secondly, Nikki's my friend and it's not acceptable to me that you call her names, especially when you know she's not around to respond. Next, apparently there are high and low quality members on this board, as per your previous post. Next, someone is apparently a "piece of shit coward motherfucker".

etc, etc.

Kathy14 wrote:of course we can't always predict what might offend someone. But if I say something that offends, and I am approached and warned or asked to stop, I would stop.

and do you believe that in that instance, stopping would be the right course of action?

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i just wanted to repost this to make sure you see it.

the piece of shit coward motherfucker started a fight with me by editing my posts to change the text of them to make it look like i had insulted myself. that is

a. behaviour exhibited by a piece of shit and or motherfucker.
b. cowardly as all fuck.

that fucking scumbag deserves everything i say about them considering the things they said about me were equally as bad, and they started it.

and what i call nikki is none of your business. if she wanted me to stop referring to her as pond scum she could easily stop acting like it, couldn't she?

and you're right i did call you a wimp, but like with all things i say on the net, i was joking. hahaha. jesus.

look kathy i'm not really that interested in beefing with you, to be honest. you're the one who wants a piece of me so bad. i've said countless times now that i didn't mean to offend anybody and even that i won't do it again. i saw some pics of you earlier and i think you're kinda cute, hahaha. let's soften this up. what's your issue and how can i make it go away?

mosaik wrote:

Kathy14 wrote:of course we can't always predict what might offend someone. But if I say something that offends, and I am approached and warned or asked to stop, I would stop.

and do you believe that in that instance, stopping would be the right course of action?

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i just wanted to repost this to make sure you see it.

I see I've missed lots of posts... I'm doing too much at once and these threads just won't stop moving. Geez.

To your question... it would depend on the circumstances, what I had said, what the reaction was, what my intention was, whether the situation was justified, etc.

For example...

People at my office are offended all the time, their ideas get shot down, sometimes people are not nice about it, and it can affect people's careers. But some of us have jobs as gatekeepers, which is important to making sure that what we do is ethical, the right business decision, legal, will lead to profitability, etc. So in this situation, if someone is upset or offended, I am still justified in shutting down a project. But I try to do it with as much tact and respect as possible.

I don't have the same goals and responsibilities in my social life, or on message boards, so my course of action would be different.

Would it be fair to say then that you rely first on your own judgement when somebody confronts you over a comment you said that offended them?

starvingeyes wrote:actually i'm not ignorant, i'm extremely well read and will happily beat you from pillar to post on absolutely ANY topic you'd like to debate.

i'll give you arrogant, though, but hey! nobody's perfect.

and with the posts thing - i think you are both lying to me. i mean christ, editing my posts in the first place was chickenshit as all hell, so why the FUCK would i expect you to do something like own up to it?

Not that I care to get involved, but I'd just like to point something out. You say that you aren't ignorant, yet I've been reading your arguments and they are pretty bad. I can count several illogical fallacies in almost all of them. These illogical fallacies do nothing to help your argument they merely draw attention away from any source of logic. I would explain what an illogical fallacy is, but I'm sure such an "extremely well read" individual like yourself will have some knowledge of basic philosophy.