What are your views on this?

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 7/24/2003, 7:10 pm

No offense Aerin, but how many times can you change your opinion on this topic? On the first page you blame it on the person, and now you're saying you can't blame it on the person because of a chemical imbalance. It's one or another, you can't contradict yourself.

Candy-coated Fake · Post by **Candy-coated Fake** » 7/24/2003, 7:25 pm

Maybe, after reading through other people's comments, she formulated another opinion. I do that all the time. It doesn't mean she's contradicting herself, it just means that she's found some new information, I guess.

committed · Post by **committed** » 7/24/2003, 8:11 pm

i would say most people do allow themselves to get depressed and chemicals have nothing to do with it.

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/24/2003, 8:20 pm

I hope this is goodbye wrote:No offense Aerin, but how many times can you change your opinion on this topic? On the first page you blame it on the person, and now you're saying you can't blame it on the person because of a chemical imbalance. It's one or another, you can't contradict yourself.

I can, and I will!

"My opinions may change but not the fact that I am right." - Ashleigh Brilliant

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 7/24/2003, 8:24 pm

nice, you won that time.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 7/24/2003, 8:41 pm

jeff is bitchin' wrote:i would say most people do allow themselves to get depressed and chemicals have nothing to do with it.

I know what you are saying. But some of the time chemical imbalances are to blame.

Other times it's just that the person is emotionally unstable.

Other times they're just crying out for attention.

tasha · Post by **tasha** » 7/24/2003, 9:16 pm

jeff is bitchin' wrote:yes i know that. they are not killing themselves just to spite others. but they allow themselves to sink into this depressed state simply out of self pity. when they stop thinking of other people, they become selfish. i already knew your point. and the point i am making is they allow themselves to get to that state. suicidal depression doesn't grow on trees. you create in yourself. you get so wrapped up in yourself and how crappy you think your life is and you stop thinking about the 13 year old sisters in your life. i mean there will be some extreme cases, sorta like your friends. but more often than not, your life isn't that fucking bad and you just stop caring so much so that you think it is.

i couldn't agree with that theory more

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 7/24/2003, 11:20 pm

so ppl choose to have noted chemical inbalances?
:wtf:

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 8/4/2003, 8:28 pm

But at least i had the courage to give up a relationship for a life.

That is very admirable Rob. I'm proud of you

On the topic though, isn't it just as selfish of the living to be pissed at the one who comitted suicide as it is of the one who actually did it?

I think the girl was very selfish not even to leavea note, but you never know what she was thinking. And if a suicidal person doesn't leave a note, maybe they don't think anyone will care when they are gone. A girl in my small hs's mother commited suicide, and the only thing it made me think about was how sad and desperate I would feel if my mother did that.

Pretty much everyone has thought they'd be better off dead at some point. Seems that way to me anyhow.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 8/4/2003, 8:42 pm

You're a coward if you decide to kill yourself. There's no way around it. There are so many people out there that had family die in car accidents, accidental shootings, and anything of the sort, yet you think your life is so bad that you have some sort of right to take it away? Do you know all those people out there that had to bury their children because of an accident that would cherish their child to be alive again? See life as a gift. You live it once, and you might as well ride it out to see what is in your future. And just remember, there are so many people out there that want their family members alive, and you're blessed enough to live, so if you choose to kill yourself, then you're nothing but a fucking coward. I've seen so many people close to me die over the past five years, I am talking about 14 aunts, uncles, and grandparents, and I would give anything to have them back. Each one of those babies that think suicide is the answer have no fucking clue what a life would mean to anyone else. That is why I would never feel pity for anyone that chose to kill themselves.

Henrietta · Post by **Henrietta** » 8/4/2003, 8:53 pm

See life as a gift.

It is, but it can be ahrd to see it that way sometimes.

I agree with you, I'm just trying to put myself in that person's shoes.

areusad831 · Post by **areusad831** » 8/4/2003, 9:07 pm

alan are you saying that you dont believe mental disorders sometimes come into play when people do decide to kill themselves? many people who commit suicide are depressed which is a mental disorder it is just not another feeling like happiness it is true some people do get depressed and may just be using it as a scapegoat but most of the time you cant help it until you chose to get help or someone gets help for you. we do not know this girl was not clinically depressed. i just think you really shouldnt touch on suicide if you dont know all the facts and to generalize and say all people who commit suicide are weak and can help themselves is a false statement.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 8/4/2003, 9:09 pm

I just think that people who choose suicide are wrong.

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 8/4/2003, 9:09 pm

even when they dont have a choice?!

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 8/4/2003, 9:11 pm

I can understand those with mental disorders doing it. They're already not completely there. I am not condoning suicide, but I would be more compassionate towards that side than some punk with a completely clear bill of mental health that slits his wrists because his girlfriend left him. In that case, I wouldn't feel bad for the guy.

the android · Post by **the android** » 8/4/2003, 9:32 pm

I think suicide is really fucking stupid, and selfish, and pointless.

Friends of mine who have made attempts get pissed when I say it and say "When you wanna die you're not thinking about anything but the solace you'll get from not feeling the pain anymore.".

That's being selfish. I don't see how much solace you can get from being dead.

I can say this because I've been depressed and really low and I seriously wanted to kill myself but I DIDN'T because I realized I had too much to live for. Like my big brother. I wuffs him

. I truly believe I was selfish for thinking about it. I still think about it all the time... Because once it gets in your head, it's a part of you. Even if you're not depressed. You just think about it a lot. Or, I do, anyways.

My history teacher from 9th grade hung himself in January. Think about it...I saw him almost EVERY SINGLE DAY, for 180 days. And then all of a sudden BOOM. I find out in CCD that he had hung himself and I got to hear nuns talk about him like he was mentally diseased... Which he wasn't, really. Not that I could tell. I dunno. Rumour has it that he lost a job he was after and his girlfriend cheated on him or something.

It really hurts a lot. Leaves a big GAPING hole because it's an unnatural death. I'm over it now. But I think that anyone who seriously considers suicide should realize that if they do it, the people who're closest to them will hurt as much as they did. Why anybody would wish that on anybody is beyond me. *shrug* I guess they just get caught in the moment.

I think the parents are stupid for blaming music. When something crazy like massacres and snipings and suicides people always point fingers at something completely rediculous just because they can. I'm not saying we should blame the parents..I'm just saying maybe we shouldn't blame anyone. It HAPPENS. It seems that people have a natural reaction to point fingers BECAUSE suicide is so unnatural.

Bah. *ramble ramble* I'm done.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 8/4/2003, 9:34 pm

Thank you Andrea. You said what I wanted to in a not rude matter.

< hugs >

the android · Post by **the android** » 8/4/2003, 9:37 pm

No problem

megxyz128 · Post by **megxyz128** » 8/4/2003, 9:46 pm

sandman wrote:even when they dont have a choice?!

there's no such thing as a non-choice suicide.

the android · Post by **the android** » 8/4/2003, 9:48 pm

Unless it's like..."kill yourself or you mom dies."

But when does that ever happen..?