Affirmative Action (and so on.)

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 2/26/2003, 3:28 pm

Well, I don't want to defend afirmative action, but the premise of this is "black kids live in the inner city, therefore, they are expected to have a worse education than a white kid." Obviously, that is not entirely true, because last time I checked, there are some pretty successful minorities out there that have children getting an elite education, yet they still get the extra 20 points.

This is truly bullshit. I cannot state this enough. My friend Bartosz is from Poland and we went to the same high school. He moved here on a student visa about 8 years ago, and he scored incredibly well on all of the standard tests and his GPA was high. We had similar grades where mine was a bit higher (the funny thing is, he scored the highest in my school on all the english sections, and he hasn't been in the country nearly as long as anyone in my old high school) and we both were rejected. A kid that scored 0.5 lower on his GPA and much lower on his standardized tests gets into U of M because his grandfather immigrated to America. Tell me how that is fair.

Another thing, I had a 3.6 GPA at one of the toughest schools in America (it was named one of the top 10 in like Newsweek or something) and somehow it counted against me when it came to getting into colleges. Kids that go to public schools and take classes like "auto shop" and "home economics" got into U of M with similar grades as I had, and I didn't. They were also the same color as me. Go figure, right? I get punished for taking real, AP classes when I could have slacked off for 4 years, get a higher GPA, and at least get the wait list to U of M.

Just remember, if you want to apply to U of M and you're white, a 3.6 GPA at one of the top schools in America, a 26 on the ACT, and activities out the ass mean nothing. If your grandfather is from another country that fits the minority category, a 3.0 GPA and a 20 on your ACT is good enough to get you into U of M. If you have similar grades to mine and you're not a minority, don't bother applying, you won't get in.

megxyz128 · Post by **megxyz128** » 2/26/2003, 3:42 pm

My friend who's not a minority recently got accepted to U of M Ann Arbor and she only got a 25 on the ACT. Then again, she's into a lot of activities and had a 4.0 My other friend got in this year who's also not a minority, but he was the valedictorian. A lot of people from my school seemed to get accepted this year.

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 2/26/2003, 3:43 pm

How is it possible you didn't get in to U of M? you sound like a fucking genius. Did they give a reason or anything?

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 2/26/2003, 3:53 pm

No, I am not a genius. I am smart, but not applied. I cared more about developing my tennis game and trying to get women than I did about school really. And no, I got no reason why I wasn't accepted, and I didn't even get the wait list. I was flat out rejected the same day the kid from Poland was rejected with a 3.5 and a 26 on his ACT. The next day the moron minority got accepted and made sure to brag about getting in. The day after that some one horrendously vandalized his car, locker, and books. No one knows how it happened....heh.....

Last year was a down year for us on getting accepted into schools. Eight kids got into and went to U of M, and only 6 kids got into MSU, and I was one of the six, but chose not to go there because I didn't have the money. Out of the 180 kids I graduated with, I was maybe in the top 25 grades-wise, and practically no one got into the college they wanted to go to. I spent $5000 a year to not get into the college I wanted, even though every teacher and guidance councelor I had was completely dumbfounded when I couldn't get into the U of M. Oh well though, I'm white, it makes sense.

emily · Post by **emily** » 2/26/2003, 4:37 pm

I don't think I'm going to apply to U of M. I might just do it for kicks, if AA still exists by the time I graduate, but it's pretty expensive and I don't really want to go there. My parents have saved up enough for my first year of college, hopefully we will have 2 years done before I have to take out student loans.

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 2/26/2003, 10:40 pm

um, i'm planning on going to UVic...hee hee this has absolutly nothing to do with AA.

emily · Post by **emily** » 2/27/2003, 9:06 am

UVic? um, never heard of it?

Up on my list:
USC
or
one of the seven sisters

emily · Post by **emily** » 2/27/2003, 9:07 am

although the only female thing could be a problem

superrgirll · Post by **superrgirll** » 2/27/2003, 10:39 am

Emily wrote:UVic? um, never heard of it?

i'm guessing it's the university of victoria in bc.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 2/27/2003, 11:58 am

I am looking to transfer out to USC or another college of the sort....gotta get me a job at Vagrant, yo.

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 2/27/2003, 10:08 pm

superrgirll wrote:
Emily wrote:UVic? um, never heard of it?

i'm guessing it's the university of victoria in bc.

good guess!!...they have bunnies!

Just kidding.

don't ask why · Post by **don't ask why** » 2/27/2003, 10:13 pm

speaking from a ubc standpoint, hmmm... uvic does seem to rule...
if god gave you a voice then use it!...
but you'll need damn good grades to get in...and i'd advise the arts...definitely not the science/applied science side

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 2/27/2003, 10:16 pm

I'm horrible at sciences, and hope to do lots of creative-type stuff so that's why I would choose UVic over UBC...

Exactly how good of grades?

don't ask why · Post by **don't ask why** » 2/27/2003, 10:19 pm

i've heard its jumped about 5 percent to 81%....for arts...its pretty scary...
especially with an unjustified tuition hike of 30%
damn university beaucrats

2+2=5 · Post by **2+2=5** » 2/27/2003, 10:20 pm

Mister Chainsaw wrote:I am looking to transfer out to USC or another college of the sort....gotta get me a job at Vagrant, yo.

Way to be, way to be.

I was actually planning on going to U of M.
but I'm white.
Forget that.

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 2/27/2003, 10:22 pm

81% average to get in? not too difficult...though I beleive you have to have at least 95% or somthing to apply for a scholarship.

don't ask why · Post by **don't ask why** » 2/27/2003, 10:25 pm

i had like a 90% average in high school; it's actually pretty easy if you work hard...but that's what it's all about - scholarships
good choice on going into arts, probably won't be too difficult (i know i'd rip it up if i was in arts but i'm not)

2+2=5 · Post by **2+2=5** » 2/27/2003, 10:27 pm

I'm always paranoid about getting into college. I'm afraid they won't accept me.

thirdhour · Post by **thirdhour** » 2/27/2003, 10:34 pm

i have an 88% average right now, but I still have a couple years to stop slacking off. plus the gouvernment just seems to give money away...i've already got some money just for not failing grade 9/10. then if i don't completly screw myself over on the provincial exams i get more money. seriously, they should give the money to kids who actually have to work hard to get good grades. my brother didn't go to school his entire last year, then showed up for the provinacials and got a free year of college.

(what the hell is up with this 3.8/4.0 system and SATs? percentages (canada) just make sense!)

2+2=5 · Post by **2+2=5** » 2/27/2003, 10:48 pm

at our school it is stressed that if you do not do well as a freshman or sophomore, then you will not get into college.