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exactly. but either way, i dont think anybody buys this as valid proof of God existing

Maybe they'res some sort of combination, between evolution , and God.

Evolution occured, theres way too much evidence to dispute that. But I'm thinking some sort of forced initiated, and drives this evolution, both biologically, and in Space.

Creation based evolution is what i believe

I'm just a creationist.

naveed99 wrote:Maybe they'res some sort of combination, between evolution , and God.

Evolution occured, theres way too much evidence to dispute that. But I'm thinking some sort of forced initiated, and drives this evolution, both biologically, and in Space.

Goodness me, there is TONS of evidence that disputes evolution. Most of what you consider "evidence" has long ago been misproven. If you flip through your highschool science book you'll find "proofs" of evolution that have either been proved false or abandoned because they no longer fit into the scientific discoveries of today. Secondly I know of lots of people who believe evolution was the means God used to create humanity. Personally I don't believe this. Evolution by definition is undirected and random, which would leave little room for a God who is very personal and involved in the world around us.

Evolution isnt necesserely undirected and random, it is extremely intelligent. Evolution is constantly working to update us, and allow us to survive in new enviroments.

Something must drive this intelligence, I dont really believe in a God, but something has to drive evolution.

Even look at something like obesity, thats a result of evolution. In humanities earlier years, our bodies evolved to hold as many calories as possible, in case the next hunting season didnt go well. Now, of course, that is outdated.

naveed99 wrote:Evolution isnt necesserely undirected and random, it is extremely intelligent. Evolution is constantly working to update us, and allow us to survive in new enviroments.

Something must drive this intelligence, I dont really believe in a God, but something has to drive evolution.

Even look at something like obesity, thats a result of evolution. In humanities earlier years, our bodies evolved to hold as many calories as possible, in case the next hunting season didnt go well. Now, of course, that is outdated.

Evolution has no intelligence behind it. If that were true then why do we see so many fatal mutations. If an intelligence was behind natural selection that why wouldnt it insure that only the right mutations occur? Secondly there is a huge difference between macro evolution and micro evolution. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone who says that micro evolution does not occur. Micro evolution could be defined as small variations within a particular species. However Macro evolution is where the debate is. It's the belief that through an unguided process, one species can evolve into another.

I think your being negative in that aspect. There are many fatal mutations, but for how many perfect creations does that happen? Its perfect and intellgent the majority of the time.

Look at the human brain, theres evolution. 3 billion neurons working interconnectedly. Thats definitly created through some intelligence./

Yes, by God. Not by chance. You seem to wanting to accept the best of both worlds when really they are contradictions. Darwin himself admitted that if there were a diety then that would undermine his theory. The famous late evolutionary biologist George Simpson said that "man is a result of a purposeless and natural process that did not have him in mind." I cant see there being a bridge between the two. You either believe in evolution and it's random and impersonal qualities, or God who in his wisdom designed us and everything around us with purpose.

I dont think its one or the other , really.

Im saying there has to be something driving evolution in the first place.

Evolution is by no means random at all. It adapts to what the situation requires. For thousands of years , humans were not the top of the food chain. We were equal with others. To protect us, fear came to be. Look at the universe, everything is in PERFECT balance.

I feel there is some invisible force driving everything.

WHat do you think directs all the actions of our cells? ALl our bodily processes?

Something has to be driving this, I dont know if its god, or some sort of energy, but there is something.

Goodness, no where in a biology textbook will you read about evolution being directed. One of the driving forces behind evolution was explaining the world through nature and nature alone. That means without a diety, "force" or "energy" behind it. Again if there was a force behind evolution why wouldnt only the perfect mutations occur.

Secondly yes I agree that something is behind the world. I believe it's God but I don't believe God created the universe using evolution. The more we learn the less evolution seems viable. There are reasons why you will find only one paragraph written on evolution in a cellular biology text book. The reason is that the complexity of cells and how they came to be simply cannot be explained using the evolutionary theory. You need to understand that evolution isnt as widely accepted among scientists as most people think.

Evolution is supposed to be very slow and gradual, which could happen given the age of the earth, however, look at the Cambrian Explosion. All of a sudden, major groups of diversified animals were on the earth, and there was no sign of any gradual evolving from smaller species before it.

I agree with Taylor, that I do not think God made evolution because He always knew what he wanted, and He also knows evolution is incredibly flawed and stupid.

I cant say which one it is.

Maybe one day, which I think will happen, science will prove one or the other.

If you believe in God there shouldn't be a question.

I think my mere existence is proof enough of a deity of some kind.

Oh Tom.

naveed99 wrote:I cant say which one it is.

Maybe one day, which I think will happen, science will prove one or the other.

Science will never really disprove or prove the existance of God. It's not something you'll hear about on CNN and go from there. You'll have to search that kind of thing out for yourself.

Waiting to Exist wrote:I think my mere existence is proof enough of a deity of some kind.

You're proof that even God can make mistakes.

Oh snap.

Ok, I did not want to start a completely new topic on the subject so I figured this was a reasonable place to do this. I'm doing an essay on whether not miracles of the New Testament can be shown to have happened. My arguement will try to affim they yes they did happen and will revolve soley on the resurrection of Jesus.

I'm asking you guys to list off your best reasons that disprove Jesus' resurrection so I can be sure to address and attempt to counter these arguements in my essay.

Note:

1.The question is not whether miracles are possible so please don't list scientific reasons as to why they are impossible. Miracles are events that defy the laws of nature.

2.Jesus' is a historical figure and it has been recorded outside the bible that he was hung on the cross. It must be assumed that at least this event did happen.