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Posted: 7/13/2005, 6:21 pm
by Rusty
Corey wrote:
afealicious wrote:uggh, well they didn't have to have that picture there. :freak:


No joke. I'm really starting to question this www.news.com.au website's credibility. The last few articles I've read from there have paired the article with some totally unrelated picture to force false imagery on the reader. It is yellow journalism all the way.


It's called bias. Every media has it.

Posted: 7/13/2005, 7:17 pm
by Axtech
Well, tacking unrelated pictures on to articles is extremely misleading...

Posted: 7/13/2005, 7:21 pm
by Rusty
That's true. But it happens.

Posted: 7/13/2005, 9:59 pm
by Waiting to Exist
Ha ha, the monkey's smoking.

*subscribes*

Posted: 7/14/2005, 8:04 am
by Axtech
:lol:

Posted: 8/22/2005, 7:45 pm
by gokirk72
I got in on this a little late, but, if they're putting human brains in an animal's body, who's to say that that animal isn't a human, wouldn't the animal think it's human, and then by killing it, you'd be killing another human... not only about that, but by sticking a human brain in an animal, imagine what this could do if it found it's way into the wrong hands (terrorists, corrupt governments)... they could put a human brain into a cheetah's or a bear's body and that would lead to an army of animals that could be used to kill masses of people ... I was surpirsed nobody had gone this way before I got here, look what's happened with nuclear power, we use it for energy, but what happens, it finds it's way into a weapon, and 2 entire cities get blown up in a war... imagine what something like this could lead to in the future... everything always has it's good and bad repracussions, and I'd say that the end of humanity could be a bad repracussion.

Posted: 8/22/2005, 8:09 pm
by Joe Cooler
An army of bears? I think thats a tad far fetched. Secondly in today's world an animal that couldnt hold a gun couldnt really be widely used.

Secondly I think it should be noted that many sceintists who study the brain, state that the spirit or "mind" of an individual is somewhat seperate from the brain. While connected, no one can say that ones mind is located "here or there" in the brain. Thus who's to say that putting a human brain in an animal would really do much if you can't transfer ones "spirit." I'd go into it further but I'll refrain until there are some objections to my statement.

Posted: 8/22/2005, 8:14 pm
by nelison
umm... I guess I'll tackle this one...

First, if you put a human brain in an animal the animal will develop human traits. An army of animals would probably be easier to kill than an army of men carrying guns. At a physiological/neurological level the human brain does not develop the same instincts as a cheetah or bear simply because it is in that animal's body. The neurons and nervous system would not react the same and essentially you'd end up with this animal who could kill someone who was unarmed, but doesn't have the basic instincts to act like a real animal.

Secondly, this isn't about putting a complete human brain in an animal. I don't care too much about this to go back and read the article but I think I recall it was about putting human brain cells in another animal. These cells do not denote a complete brain. Simply cells that can be specialized within the animal.


Also, where do you get the idea that putting brain cells in an animal will eventually lead to the end of humanity? That's the biggest stretch I've seen, and unless some madman is engineering these animals like the Wicked with from Oz, I think it's pretty unlikely this will lead to the end of humanity.

Posted: 8/22/2005, 8:52 pm
by gravity
the only "bad side" arguments are pretty religious...i dont see a down side...and as far as a monkey that thinks its human...am i a squirrel because i have a mental disability that makes me think im a squirrel? plus, the body has a lot to do with the animal too. the animals still cant talk etc. i dont see a problem. period.

Posted: 9/3/2005, 6:03 am
by mosaik
even if bears had our brains, we still have opposable thumbs.

take that, bear.

Posted: 9/3/2005, 1:26 pm
by Rusty
What about gorillas? They have oppossable thumbs. If gorillas gained human intelligence, we might just have planet of the apes. :GASP: *plays eerie music*

Posted: 9/3/2005, 1:32 pm
by mosaik
We're fucked if the gorillas get smart

I think this is for sure.

Posted: 9/3/2005, 1:34 pm
by Rusty
It's only a matter of time really.

Posted: 9/6/2005, 10:12 am
by Korzic
While we're on this subject about human bits and animals. I thought I'd relate a story about a bunch of mice.

Some scientists had a bunch of mice for testing. And in order to separate one group from another they basically pierce an ear.

So they pierce the ears and go away to go test other stuff and come back to check on them the next day (not sure about time frame here). And they find a mouse without a piercing in the pierced group. Now the scientists are very careful not to mix the mice, but the piercing is still there, but the hole is gone. SO they re pierce it and come back and its grown back. So they're like WTF and clone this little mouse.

Then the fun starts.

They chopped off its foot, and it grew back fully functional. So getting more curious they chopped the tail and it grew back. By this stage they had quite a few cloned mice. So they got extra creative. They severed the optic nerve. And it grew back with full sight again. Ok... optic nerve was pretty impressive. They got really interested and killed off a kidney which promptly grew back fully functional. So they stuffed about with the heart, and even that healed properly back to working 100%.

Only organ to not grow back was the brain.

Cool story 100% true.

Posted: 9/6/2005, 10:29 am
by nikki4982
8O What a cool little mouse!

That's so mean, though. :crying:

Posted: 9/6/2005, 3:03 pm
by Rusty
Korzic wrote:While we're on this subject about human bits and animals. I thought I'd relate a story about a bunch of mice.

Some scientists had a bunch of mice for testing. And in order to separate one group from another they basically pierce an ear.

So they pierce the ears and go away to go test other stuff and come back to check on them the next day (not sure about time frame here). And they find a mouse without a piercing in the pierced group. Now the scientists are very careful not to mix the mice, but the piercing is still there, but the hole is gone. SO they re pierce it and come back and its grown back. So they're like WTF and clone this little mouse.

Then the fun starts.

They chopped off its foot, and it grew back fully functional. So getting more curious they chopped the tail and it grew back. By this stage they had quite a few cloned mice. So they got extra creative. They severed the optic nerve. And it grew back with full sight again. Ok... optic nerve was pretty impressive. They got really interested and killed off a kidney which promptly grew back fully functional. So they stuffed about with the heart, and even that healed properly back to working 100%.

Only organ to not grow back was the brain.

Cool story 100% true.


I learned about a similar story, in biology. Same thing the pierced mouse had the piercing heal. Then they cut off part of it's ear, and it grew back and suffered no hearing loss. They finally severed it's spinal cord, and in a few months it grew back with the ability to function normally. I think they removed something from it's DNA first though, which made it "less evolved" so it was able to regenerate limbs.

Posted: 9/10/2005, 1:42 pm
by Lando
Less evolved? Like Matt!