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How do you respect and love someone who hates an essential part of who you are?
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How? Thats up to them to figure out. You cannot change someone by hating them back though. Its that simple. If you think that telling homophobes that they are idiots will change their opinion of gays then you are sadly mistaken.
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I personally think that if they are going to legalize gay marriage then they ethically need to do polygamy too. I think polygamy is wrong, just like gay marriage, but if that's how it's gonna be, then that's how it's gonna have to be.

I agree with Taylor. It is very hard to love someone who hates you, but if you are going to get them accept you, you aren't gonna achieve it by hating them. Forgive thine enemy.
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Polygamy is not generally socially acceptable.
That was even on Oprah.

Gay rights have been celebrated to the point in which they have their own parade.

There is a slight difference.
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No one is saying that as soon as the gay marriage laws go through, polygamy will automatically be accepted. It would take years and years just like it took years and years for gay marriage to be accepted. 40 years ago the idea of gay marriage was unthinkable just like polygamy is now.
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happeningfish wrote:How do you respect and love someone who hates an essential part of who you are?

Exactly. I could never ever ever be friends with a homophobic person, I mean, they would be bashing my mother. I'm very loyal to my family, and even if she wasnt a lesbian, I still wouldnt be friends or even associate with a homophobe, because I wouldnt associate with a racist or a sexist person either. There is no difference in my mind.
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Cracky wrote:
happeningfish wrote:How do you respect and love someone who hates an essential part of who you are?

Exactly. I could never ever ever be friends with a homophobic person, I mean, they would be bashing my mother. I'm very loyal to my family, and even if she wasnt a lesbian, I still wouldnt be friends or even associate with a homophobe, because I wouldnt associate with a racist or a sexist person either. There is no difference in my mind.


How are they to change then? Did Martin Luther King fight againts racism by refusing to associate with those who hated him?

Secondly for those of you who think i'm arguing that polygamy will become legal because i'm againts gay marriage I'd like to make some things clear. I decided awile back that I'd be neither for or againts gay marriage. While many in my religion may be againts it, I believe that they often become far to wrapped up in it and forget about what it means to be a christian. They parade around with anti gay banners and forget about love. That is after all, what Jesus was all about.

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matthew 22: 36-40
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I'm not loving someone who thinks i'm an idiot. I'm sure they feel the same way. You're right, about Martin Luther King Jr, but no. Its too wrong to me, I feel sick, if someone says it. Its gross. I can be a hypocrite and in the wrong all I like, I dont care, But i'm not going to be friends with someone who is so misguided. Sure, i'll always have to associate with people who disagree with me, fine, but that certainly doesnt mean i'm going to bring them home to dinner and be friends with them.

To me, if you're racist, or sexist, homophobic or a bigot, there is something wrong with you. There is a difference in thinking homosexuality is wrong, and being homophobic, I do get that, and although I think its wrong to think its wrong, whatever, you can be told what to think by your religions all you want, it has nothing to do with me.
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I'm not told what to think by my religion. :|
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That wasnt directed at you. AND furthermore it had nothing to do with the being nice to descriminatory people thing either.
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Ohhhhh ok.
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:sugar:
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:)
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Polygamy is not generally socially acceptable.
That was even on Oprah.

Gay rights have been celebrated to the point in which they have their own parade.

There is a slight difference.


It could very easily be accepted in the West. And gay marriage is not socially acceptable, or else the United States wouldn't have voted for an ammendment to ban gay marriage. It's the loud minority, that doesn't mean that it's socially acceptable to many many people. Polygamous communities think they're right too, and have things that could be compared to parades.
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Gay Marriage isnt accepted in America, sure, But you're a conservative and widely religious country. Its socially acceptable in Canada, as it should be.
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socially excepted in many countries actually.

Besides, isn't 1 out of 10 people either bi-sexual or homosexual? That's a lot of people in America, when you compare it to other groups that we take seriously.
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Hell Dubya gave a huge tax cut to a much smaller group
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"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911

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"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good

I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.

"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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i honestly think that if most people knew a gay person closely it would be enough to change their mind, esspecially if it was a family member or friend that came out to them. When i was younger it used to be cool to make fun of gays, but as i grew up i realized it really wasn't, plus one of my friends came out about being a lesbian. It made me realy understand wher ethey're coming from a lot better, and i realy doubt that she, and every other gay on earth, is just lying about it.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good

"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911

"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good

I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.

"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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yeah, I used to use the word "gay" as an insult when I was 12 and stuff. It took me a while to stop because I was so used to it, but obviously I couldn't continue saying it considering I made friends with a gay boy and my best friend started dating another girl. The funny part was that my friend dating a girl kept saying it by accident too. "that's gay... no it's not, I'm gay, that's an insult to me!"
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