Gay Marriage

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 12/10/2004, 4:43 pm

No, he's on second.

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 12/10/2004, 6:00 pm

well then

reza · Post by **reza** » 12/12/2004, 7:05 pm

Something I've found notebly absent in this thread, the topic of same-sex adoption laws. A couple of years ago, in Florida a mother was denied custody of ehr daugher because the mother is a lesbian. Instead, the father who spent 8 years in prison for the murder of his first wife got sole custody of the girl. Just something to think about.

It isn't fair that the courts deem a homosexual undividual to be any less of a parent than a heterosexual one. Those are my two cents.

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 12/12/2004, 9:42 pm

This might sound really ignorant but just as long as it doesn't affect me, I could care less about this issue. It doesn't affect me and it seems like most people are just making such a big deal about this. What do gay people get out of being legally married to each other and what evidence do anti-gay marriage people have for saying that gay marriages will be detrimental to our society?

Me and my sister were just debating over the gay adopting thing today. She's for gay marriage but she's against the adoption thing, even less so the other birth methods people will go through to have a baby with their own genes since they technically can't have one with their partner.

And I kinda agree...but not because I don't think gay parents can be role models or because their kids will grow up to be gay. In fact...the kids will probably be totally accepting of their parents and learn a whole lot of respect than kids are learning these days but what happens when they start going to school? Unless society changes and stops poking fun at gay people, it'll be hell for those kids.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 12/12/2004, 9:51 pm

Thats not necessarily true. All of my friends know that my mummy is a lesbian, and none of them care. Infact, i'd say i've lost one friend over it, ever, and that was in grade 7. And in my opinion, it was a friend well lost.

reza · Post by **reza** » 12/12/2004, 10:46 pm

SpiritualJunkie wrote:This might sound really ignorant but just as long as it doesn't affect me, I could care less about this issue. It doesn't affect me and it seems like most people are just making such a big deal about this. What do gay people get out of being legally married to each other and what evidence do anti-gay marriage people have for saying that gay marriages will be detrimental to our society?

Me and my sister were just debating over the gay adopting thing today. She's for gay marriage but she's against the adoption thing, even less so the other birth methods people will go through to have a baby with their own genes since they technically can't have one with their partner.

And I kinda agree...but not because I don't think gay parents can be role models or because their kids will grow up to be gay. In fact...the kids will probably be totally accepting of their parents and learn a whole lot of respect than kids are learning these days but what happens when they start going to school? Unless society changes and stops poking fun at gay people, it'll be hell for those kids.

Okay say a child is adopted from Cambodia (and many same-sex couples adopt from third world nations), do you think that, the child would rather go back to living in famine and disease, or live in a warm comfortable home with MAYBE a few kids from school who decide to call him/her names?
Several journals have stated that having a homosexual parent could infact have a positive influence on a child.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 12/12/2004, 10:54 pm

It has given me more tolerance, i would say. I dont look at anyone with a stigma.

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 12/12/2004, 10:55 pm

Cracky, you have awesome friends! But some people can be cruel.

I'm not totally against gays raising kids. Like I said, the kids would probably turn out to be better people. But I'm talking school here...you know how kids can be. In junior high, I remember many kids used to make fun of the idea of being gay all the time. Kids these days have less respect for their elders, what makes you think they'll have any more respect for gays?

And if gays do raise kids, I am ALL for them adopting. That goes with any other couple (straight or not) who can't have kids of their own. Why try to go through expensive sugery when there are so many unwanted children out there. It seems like people who go for all that invitro/sperm donor stuff are just selfishly wanting to pass on their genes.

reza · Post by **reza** » 12/12/2004, 10:56 pm

A study also stated that the children of same-sex couples have a greater understanding of sexuality, not just sexuality in general, but their own. That makes them less prone to being sexually abused.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 12/12/2004, 11:04 pm

Sexuality eh? 8-)

I'de say thats true

Well, I am my mothers birth daughter, cause she was a weirdo and married a dude to begin with. Sure, people make fun of "Gays" and stuff, but when it comes down to it, most people really dont care.

If a person does care, i'm sorry to say, but they have issues. People are people. I dont view religion as being a valid excuse to be homophobic, or anti-gay.

reza · Post by **reza** » 12/12/2004, 11:56 pm

i have three friends whoa re like that, they use religion to veil their homophobia and i pisses the hell out of me. I just can't talk to them somtimes because I know they think like that. I honestly think that they have this idea of religion wrapped around their heads so tight that they can't really see or think anything else.
If religion is meant to teach love and acceptance, then why is it inciting hate in so many people?
One kid actually said "If my sister were a lesbian, my parents would kick her out of the house," he then continured to say "I don't hate gays, I just hate what they do because it makes god angry...If i could I'd kill 'em." ...Yeah, he no longer has lunch with us.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 12/12/2004, 11:58 pm

The only way to change these horriffic attitudes about gays is to STOP MAKING THEM TABOO. If gays are free to adopt children it will eventually integrate itself into society as an acceptable thing, much like inter-racial marriages/children.

reza · Post by **reza** » 12/13/2004, 12:04 am

Yeah, but how long will it take? There are still some people who think that black parents shouldn't raise a white child (and vice versa).

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 12/13/2004, 12:09 am

So.. it was better when everyone thought that? What exactly is your point?

reza · Post by **reza** » 12/13/2004, 12:16 am

"If gays are free to adopt children it will eventually integrate itself into society as an acceptable thing, much like inter-racial marriages/children."

My point is that there is no telling how long that will take, because there was a time when a black family could not adopt a white child, and there are still people who think that, that is wrong.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 12/13/2004, 12:19 am

But its better to be progressing, than to still be socially taboo. I've heard people say things, once and awhile about my mum, when I was back home. Yes, it did involve some violence on my part, which is wrong indeed, but until things like the way I live, and lots of other kids live are more allowable, and gay adoption completely legal, nothing will change.

reza · Post by **reza** » 12/13/2004, 12:20 am

It still isn't in the majority of the United States.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 12/13/2004, 12:24 am

Its the states though. That whole land of the free slogan means absolutely nothing anymore. :freak:

Things will change eventually. Well, hopefully.

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 12/13/2004, 1:35 pm

kermit__35 wrote:Yeah, but how long will it take? There are still some people who think that black parents shouldn't raise a white child (and vice versa).

Yes, and there are still Neo-Nazis and people out there who are part of the Ku Klux klan. Go figure. :roll:

I just read on McLeans or Time (forgot which one) about this racist music label preaching on about white supremacy. The guy in charge sold albums online and got a thousand or so hits. :freak:

reza · Post by **reza** » 12/13/2004, 2:23 pm

So will we one day see a world where people won't be exposed to these kind of things?