Do we know the truth?

Long Jonny · Post by **Long Jonny** » 10/8/2004, 9:01 pm

4 years ago... a lot has changed since then.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » 10/8/2004, 9:14 pm

Corey wrote:Man oh man, does Jamie Glazov have you down to a tee....

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... sp?ID=3212

Sounds like some of that typical American assimilation stuff to me.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 9:47 pm

perhaps.... written by a Canadian.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 9:48 pm

Long Jonny wrote:4 years ago... a lot has changed since then.

Like what? By the way... 9/11 was over 3 years ago...

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 10/8/2004, 9:53 pm

Canada is different because we are peaceful. We dont have the insatiable appetite for Combat. And an incredible ignorance towards every other country in the world.

Hey Matt, does CHILE mean anything to you? Your government took out the elected leader and put in a dictator. But no, that was just.. Right? :freak:

How can you find it so easy to ignore what is clearly right in front of you?

deniedjunkie · Post by **deniedjunkie** » 10/8/2004, 10:08 pm

or matt does umm this ring a bell

In 1954 a US sponsored coup in Guatemala killed over 120,000 Guatemalan peasants. The coup ousted the democratically elected President President Arbenz-Guzmán.

In the 1980’s over 30,000 Nicaraguans were killed during the US sponsored Contra terror war.

In 1989 the United States invaded Panama in an attempt to capture Manuel Noriega (who had had ties to the CIA since the 1960’s). Some 8,000 people were killed.

The United States helped overthrow the government of the Dominican Republic in 1965, which resulted in the deaths of some 3,000 people.

do you need more?

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 10:10 pm

2 things...

1) The US merely assisted a movement against the communist takeover in Chile. Whether or not the US got involved, it was going to happen. The party that took over happened to run the country in a dictorial manner. That was cleared up by 1990.

http://www.geographia.com/chile/chilehistory.htm

2) Are you insinuating that the attacks on 9/11 were in response to said Chile insident?

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 10/8/2004, 10:13 pm

Its spelt Incident. :wtf:

No, i wasnt, but it is an example of the things that the US has done that have negatively affected other countries. Sure, it was cleared up in 1990, after how much ethnic cleansing? The damage had been done.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 10:15 pm

deniedjunkie wrote:or matt does umm this ring a bell

In 1954 a US sponsored coup in Guatemala killed over 120,000 Guatemalan peasants. The coup ousted the democratically elected President President Arbenz-Guzmán.

In the 1980’s over 30,000 Nicaraguans were killed during the US sponsored Contra terror war.

In 1989 the United States invaded Panama in an attempt to capture Manuel Noriega (who had had ties to the CIA since the 1960’s). Some 8,000 people were killed.

The United States helped overthrow the government of the Dominican Republic in 1965, which resulted in the deaths of some 3,000 people.

do you need more?

hey at least reference matt good if you're going to take his material word for word.

http://www.matthewgood.org/blog/2004/07 ... split.html

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 10:20 pm

Sine wrote:Its spelt Incident.
No, i wasnt, but it is an example of the things that the US has done that have negatively affected other countries. Sure, it was cleared up in 1990, after how much ethnic cleansing? The damage had been done.

Hey but ethnic cleansing in other countries is none of our business right? We should stay out right? *cough* Iraq *cough*

Oh and you forgot the apostrophe in "it's" and "wasn't"... :roll:

Must we resort to spelling errors in our attacks?

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » 10/8/2004, 10:22 pm

what business did America have in Iraq?? What ever happened to the grand hunt for Osama? It looks to me, that once Bush realised he couldn't find him he needed to get back in the public eye and show America he was still protecting them so he made up some bullshit story about WMD and into Iraq he went.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 10:23 pm

Thank you, you just defended why we had no obligation to help Chile either.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 10/8/2004, 10:27 pm

Well your country is Trigger-Happy. I mean, you dont even listen to the UN, what are the chances you'd listen to any of the sense Others in this thread have been saying.[Not about 9.11 obviously]. I dont in any way think that the USA deserved 9.11, but its Karma. I mean, you cant just go fucking around with other peoples countries forever and not expect a retaliation.

The USA had no fucking place in Iraq. Dont even say for one minute it was about liberating people from Sadam. or Weapons of Mass destruction. It was for that lovely thick black stuff the American Market loves so much. Oh, and Dont forget Bush, he loves it too! Loves it enough to risk other peoples lives, and the lives of innocent people.

Anyways, i've completely lost my point, and I dont even Care. 9.11 was not deserved, but JFC, your military has done SO much to other cultures, what did you expect?

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 10:33 pm

And to those who keep repeating the Canadian is peaceful mantra. Is it in your opinion that Canada wouldn't fight tooth and nail to defend itself against an enemy? I happen to think you would. You love your country and you'd do everything necessary to protect it. However, you don't have to because as you all claim you don't have enemies. Well of course not, you're no threat. The US carries that burden. Not only do we have to watch our backs but we take care of the little guy too (that's you Canada). Let's pretend the US doesn't exist and you Canadians are now in charge in North America. Is it in your opinion that nobody would come after you? Not one aggressor? If you honestly believe that, then you're more foolish than I thought. Canada would be responsible for providing aid to countries that need it and they would gain the enemies that now plague the US. If Canada chose not to help these countries in need and hourded all the wealth to themselves then they are inconsiderate and selfish. It's not always what we do to countries but what you don't do for countries as well. You also have to be concerned about helping a country and what backlash that might create from an enemy of that country. It's funny how Canadians constantly blame Americans for acting like they are better than Canadians but from my experience in the clumsymonkey, that's all you Canadians do. Why the double standard?

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 10:36 pm

Sine wrote:Anyways, i've completely lost my point, and I dont even Care. 9.11 was not deserved, but JFC, your military has done SO much to other cultures, what did you expect?

We didn't deserve it but what do we expect? Just come out and say it. We got what we had coming to us right? Don't sugarcoat it.

And you still can't point out any single event that brought rise to the 9/11 strike. Something that happened 30 years prior in a country that is in an entirely different continent than the attackers?

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » 10/8/2004, 10:48 pm

Corey wrote:And to those who keep repeating the Canadian is peaceful mantra. Is it in your opinion that Canada wouldn't fight tooth and nail to defend itself against an enemy? I happen to think you would. You love your country and you'd do everything necessary to protect it. However, you don't have to because as you all claim you don't have enemies. Well of course not, you're no threat. The US carries that burden. Not only do we have to watch our backs but we take care of the little guy too (that's you Canada). Let's pretend the US doesn't exist and you Canadians are now in charge in North America. Is it in your opinion that nobody would come after you? Not one aggressor? If you honestly believe that, then you're more foolish than I thought. Canada would be responsible for providing aid to countries that need it and they would gain the enemies that now plague the US. If Canada chose not to help these countries in need and hourded all the wealth to themselves then they are inconsiderate and selfish. It's not always what we do to countries but what you don't do for countries as well. You also have to be concerned about helping a country and what backlash that might create from an enemy of that country. It's funny how Canadians constantly blame Americans for acting like they are better than Canadians but from my experience in the clumsymonkey, that's all you Canadians do. Why the double standard?

Of course Canada would fight, but guess what nobody is attacking Canada. Osoma attacked America, not Iraq so don't give us that bullshit that you're defending your country by going after Iraq all America is doing is TERRORIZING Iraq, guess what America is the terrorists in their eyes just like they are the terrorists in your eyes. Explain to me why Canada would suddenly gain all of America's enemies if America didn't exist. Did Canada suddenly change it's whole behaviour and demeanor? Guess what Canada does provide aid to other countries, we are known for our PEACE KEEPING, that means we keep the peace withing countries in a NON VIOLENT way.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 11:48 pm

You're right. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not going to argue otherwise. But that war has nothing to do with why the WTC was attacked considering it occurred after the fact. There still hasn't been any event suggested that brought 9/11 on.

And I guess my scenario of Canada existing without the US is too complex for you to comprehend. I realize Canada does "peaceful" aid NOW. But would that be the case if the US wasn't picking up the defensive tab. Imagine if you will that Canada claims all of the US in the war of 1812. Canada would be forced to carry the role the US is obligated to today. I'm not talking offensive but defensive. Like it or not, Canada would still have enemies and would be forced to get involved in conflict around the world. That's the role you take on as a superpower.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 10/8/2004, 11:50 pm

Only if you're a belligerent fuck with said "Superpower". See, Peace[This weird concept yet to be embraced by your military] Brings, get this, PEACE!

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 10/8/2004, 11:59 pm

Ok, lets go back to WWII. Your way of spreading PEACE is by sitting on your hands as Europe, Asia, and Africa destroys itself?

Would Canada just brush off an attack to its Naval base?

Would you still feel like nobody is going to attack you as Germany continues its path of destruction?

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 10/9/2004, 12:04 am

Althought I disagree with it, Defensive Military action is justified. Atomic Bomb in Hiroshima? Huuuge Mistake. But it happened.

No way to justify going into Iraq though. They didnt do anything to the US.