Right to bear...AK-47s?
I don't think guns can be banned actually. Wouldn't a gun company be able to sue the government for its lost profits under chapter 11 of NAFTA?
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
It's interesting to watch this topic. And see EVERYONE be against the right to hold an automatic weapon. Some people here are for the right to bear arms, or at least have provided an argument for the right to bear arms. But no one here wants to justify a civilian's right to own an automatic weapon. If there is a proper argument, I have no idea what it would be.
If Bush renewed the ban, he'd still have the NRA on his side. Between him and Kerry, he's still their candidate of choice. There's a place where you draw the line and I think Bush overshot it.
If Bush renewed the ban, he'd still have the NRA on his side. Between him and Kerry, he's still their candidate of choice. There's a place where you draw the line and I think Bush overshot it.
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xjsb125 wrote:Yes, but the government doesn't purchase guns from every major manufacturer in the country. Savage Arms, a major manufacturer, is actually based in Canada. Not only are you elminating the jobs of those who manufacture, but you would be losing the jobs of gunsmiths and those who manufacture aftermarket products for those guns as well. The government is not going to employ all those people. And of course something could set a person off and they could go on a killing spree. People take fits of violence all the time. Maybe if people were taught at young age that guns aren't the answer for their problems, and guns weren't glorified in tv shows and action cartoons, people would grow up with different idea of how to solve thier problems.
Violence on tv has little to do with it. Most of us have seen bowling for columbine. Biased as it was, I won't say it wasn't biased everything has some form of bias. But it is true that many countries watch violent movies and play violent games and have violent pasts. Yet they don't have such high murder and crime rates and some have large populations. I agree people should be taught that guns are not the answer, and aren't they? Or do parents not tell kids that VIOLENCE is not the answer anymore these days? If it wasn't so easy to get guns then there would be less gun related killings. No guns, no gun related violence.
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You don't find your way, the way finds you...
Tempt the fates, beware the smile
It hides all the teeth, my dear,
What's behind them...
So glad you could stay
Forever
He steps between the trees, a crooked man
There's blood on the blade
Don't take his hand
You warm by the firelight, in twilight's blue
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hpdfk wrote:If Bush renewed the ban, he'd still have the NRA on his side. Between him and Kerry, he's still their candidate of choice. There's a place where you draw the line and I think Bush overshot it.
I would be mortally shocked if the NRA ever backed a democratic candidate.
Its just never going to happen.
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Outlawing guns isn't going to stop gun related violence and crime. People shouldn't give up their right to own a gun because someone else is irresponsible with one. There's no way to 100% safeguard against gun related crime. Laws that are more strict may be fine, but I disagree with completely taking them away.
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Guns are made for one purpose killing. Rifles and shotguns I hate guns with a passion but fine i can see hunting I guess, handguns should be for police officers only to defend themselves. Automatic weapons on the other hand, are made for one purpose only. To kill People. They are not designed for sport hunting, or recreational target practice, they are made to kill people. Civilians do not need something made for the sole purpose of killing people.
Queens Of The Stone Age-Someone's In The Wolf
Once you're lost in twillights's blue
You don't find your way, the way finds you...
Tempt the fates, beware the smile
It hides all the teeth, my dear,
What's behind them...
So glad you could stay
Forever
He steps between the trees, a crooked man
There's blood on the blade
Don't take his hand
You warm by the firelight, in twilight's blue
Shadows creep & dance the walls
He's creeping too..
So glad you could stay
Forever
<----------------- click and listen!That's a really stupid thing to say. I'll merely give one example to disprove that entire post. Skeet Shooting.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
he's not serious right?
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
I misread his post. My apologies as there was a valid point in that post.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Rusty wrote:Automatic weapons on the other hand, are made for one purpose only. To kill People..
Automatic weapons have no place outside of the military. I agree that particular type of weapon should not be allowed. I never once went to a gun range and saw someone shooting a fully automatic rifle.
<nam_kablam> I'll be naked holding a ":O" sign while pumping their door
so why exactly ae you American's allowing him to make owning a AK 47 legal?
It's your country damn it, not his. the people can choose what happens in their country, and if most of you don't agree with it stop him then. People need to realize that he's YOUR president, you arn't his subjects. He needs YOUR aproval
It's your country damn it, not his. the people can choose what happens in their country, and if most of you don't agree with it stop him then. People need to realize that he's YOUR president, you arn't his subjects. He needs YOUR aproval
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Given that we're all agreed that assualt weapon ban should be renewed, everyone who hasn't yet done so should go to:
http://www.tomspetition.org/
and sign the petition there. Basically it's been set up by the father of one of the children killed at Columbine and calls for the ban to be renewed.
Although by nature it's aimed at US residents, anyone not living in the US can do what I did and find a zip code to put in!
http://www.tomspetition.org/
and sign the petition there. Basically it's been set up by the father of one of the children killed at Columbine and calls for the ban to be renewed.
Although by nature it's aimed at US residents, anyone not living in the US can do what I did and find a zip code to put in!
Open your eyes to nights and days, you close them up and float away
and somehow inbetween you've got to master lying to yourself
you back the cause, get out of school, you get a job, the job gets you
and somehow every day you end up serving somebody else
now if that ain't panic that you're feeling, then you damn well better start
you can drive it into that head of yours with the hammer in your heart.
And it's alriiiiiiiight now, take the world and make it yours again.
and somehow inbetween you've got to master lying to yourself
you back the cause, get out of school, you get a job, the job gets you
and somehow every day you end up serving somebody else
now if that ain't panic that you're feeling, then you damn well better start
you can drive it into that head of yours with the hammer in your heart.
And it's alriiiiiiiight now, take the world and make it yours again.
I AM ME wrote:so why exactly ae you American's allowing him to make owning a AK 47 legal?
It's your country damn it, not his. the people can choose what happens in their country, and if most of you don't agree with it stop him then. People need to realize that he's YOUR president, you arn't his subjects. He needs YOUR aproval
don't you get it, politicians are not subject to ridicule by the masses. it's going to take a radical to give the power to the people. that.....is where i come in.
oh yeah, and they have fully automatics at some shooting ranges, you can shoot an ak-47 at a range in san antonio for 30 bucks a clip.
i'm just curious, if most canadians were to write to your prime minister about the bullets a canadian company makes and sells to the US government, would he listen to you, or would he listen to the company who might give him a little money to drown you out?
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Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
That would be damn expensive. The assualt weapon ban had too many legal loopholes. I believe some states drafted stricter legislation that went above the federal mandate. Sean, you are right. Something like this has to start at a local level and have a dedicated politician to back it and push it to the top. It's a very doable thing, people just need the initiative to do it.
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Bandalero wrote:I AM ME wrote:so why exactly ae you American's allowing him to make owning a AK 47 legal?
It's your country damn it, not his. the people can choose what happens in their country, and if most of you don't agree with it stop him then. People need to realize that he's YOUR president, you arn't his subjects. He needs YOUR aproval
i'm just curious, if most canadians were to write to your prime minister about the bullets a canadian company makes and sells to the US government, would he listen to you, or would he listen to the company who might give him a little money to drown you out?
According to our local member of parliament, a letter sent to the Prime Minister concerning an issue is considered a letter from 100 citizens. Basically they believe that if one person sends a letter, than at least 100 others must feel the same way about it. Whether that would persuade a government I'm not sure, but I do feel as though the Canadian government is much more accessible.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
I agree too, Canada seems to have less lobby groups and outside intrests then America. Also our prime minister's hold is so tenuous right now that he's not going to anger anyone he doesn't have to. Hell he even did the hip-flip with Narduar, just to get in with Canada's youth.
About the Automatic Weapons in the shooting range too, keep in mind you love in Texas
About the Automatic Weapons in the shooting range too, keep in mind you love in Texas
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
right, like your prime minister has the guts to piss off the employees at that factory so that he won't get elected. i mean after all you did say it.
and you know damn well there are other shooting ranges all over the US that allow you to fire an assult rifle, to just assume it's a texas thing is pretty canadian of you.
and you know damn well there are other shooting ranges all over the US that allow you to fire an assult rifle, to just assume it's a texas thing is pretty canadian of you.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
it's not just a Texas thing, but it's an American thing, but it's much more prevelent in the Southern States, such as Texas.
and the PM will bow to whoever has the bigger voice, factory workers do not have a bigger voice in Canada then the rest of the public. As i said Canada isn't without external influences in politics, but it's nothing near as bad as American politicians with corporate intrests
and the PM will bow to whoever has the bigger voice, factory workers do not have a bigger voice in Canada then the rest of the public. As i said Canada isn't without external influences in politics, but it's nothing near as bad as American politicians with corporate intrests
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
and what research would you base this generalization of the south on?
it's not just factory workers, it's their families that need that source of income. its the city that needs that factory operational for the sake of the city and it's economy. you would rather throw familes out into the street and dent a city's economic structure because you do not like who buy's their bullets.
it's not just factory workers, it's their families that need that source of income. its the city that needs that factory operational for the sake of the city and it's economy. you would rather throw familes out into the street and dent a city's economic structure because you do not like who buy's their bullets.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown