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Posted: 8/31/2004, 10:12 am
by nelison
You still didn't tell me how Moore can get away with all of that without being sued. Also, you show no proof behind your numbers other than saying "I talk to protesters and 70% of them don't have a clue what they're talking about." Unless you've talked to every single one, that doesn't work.

Also simply because only 5% of the world has the capacity to understand one of the most complex mathematical equations to ever exist, doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't allowed to make an attempt. The same applies to politics.

Anyways, a protester doesn't need to be a political science buff to protest. If he sees on the news that one of his friends died in a war based on lies, then he doesn't need to know anything more than that to want to go to an anti-war demonstration. It's his right, and no one can say otherwise. To say that only the educated can protest is a step backwards for democracy

Posted: 8/31/2004, 10:19 am
by nelison
mosaik wrote:MICHAEL MOORE SUCKS.

/truth

if you guys are going to support him couldn't you please stop calling him brilliant? he's not brilliant. he is funny, but not brilliant funny, and he does not know jack shit about politics.


I don't think he's brilliant, Noam Chomsky is brilliant, but he makes pathetic films, while Moore makes excellent films. As a pure film maker Moore has talent. And let's face it, for the average person, Moore's movies are a step up on the channal 5 news.

Posted: 8/31/2004, 12:43 pm
by Bandalero
Korzic wrote:
J-Neli wrote:Finally, we all agree that Moore's tactics are unfair, and have discussed them at length, including many other sites than the ones you've listed. There are two things though I will bring up for you to ponder, since it really isn't on topic. 1. Moore uses 3 sets of lawyers and fact checkers from various credited sources, including the New Yorker. How could so many people have missed so many lies? 2. If Moore has lied, why hasn't he been sued by the many groups/people who he has supposedly lied about?

Personally I think Moore is a great movie maker and at least is trying to educate the masses, or at least spark some sort of flame from wthin.


Its called Freedom of Speech. He is not a great movie maker. He's a good propagandist. I wouldn't call them lies, I'll call them misrepresentations of the truth.


just like bush didn't lie about the war?

Posted: 8/31/2004, 12:47 pm
by I AM ME
more proof that America is turning into New Rome. They're falling in the same ways aswell.

Posted: 8/31/2004, 1:03 pm
by closeyoureyes
Korzic wrote:Health care yes. Yes we're more liberal than the US... probably not as much as Canada... but it really depends where you go. Some places are more conservative than others as with any place. Sydney of course is better than all the other cities ;)

Australia is definetly not as liberal as canada. Would you call a country who BANNED Gay marriage to be liberal? Australia did. Even American hasnt banned it.[yet]

Posted: 8/31/2004, 3:29 pm
by mosaik
J-Neli wrote:
mosaik wrote:MICHAEL MOORE SUCKS.

/truth

if you guys are going to support him couldn't you please stop calling him brilliant? he's not brilliant. he is funny, but not brilliant funny, and he does not know jack shit about politics.


I don't think he's brilliant, Noam Chomsky is brilliant, but he makes pathetic films, while Moore makes excellent films. As a pure film maker Moore has talent. And let's face it, for the average person, Moore's movies are a step up on the channal 5 news.


haha i don't like chomsky either

but i will agree that the movies have some value.

and they are funny.

Posted: 8/31/2004, 8:14 pm
by Korzic
Sine wrote:
Korzic wrote:Health care yes. Yes we're more liberal than the US... probably not as much as Canada... but it really depends where you go. Some places are more conservative than others as with any place. Sydney of course is better than all the other cities ;)

Australia is definetly not as liberal as canada. Would you call a country who BANNED Gay marriage to be liberal? Australia did. Even American hasnt banned it.[yet]


Since I live here... i would say we are liberal. Since I have also spent a great deal of time in the US and Canada. I do believe I have some authority on which to make that comment.

Posted: 8/31/2004, 8:57 pm
by I AM ME
i guess soon enough i'll be able to find out for myself, and after living their for a year i would be able to speak with authority

Posted: 8/31/2004, 9:02 pm
by hpdfk
Arnold on Balancing the Budget:

Don't be a economic girly man! (actual quote) :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Posted: 9/1/2004, 12:23 am
by nelison
what the hell? did he say that at the convention tonight?

Posted: 9/1/2004, 9:03 am
by Korzic
I AM ME wrote:i guess soon enough i'll be able to find out for myself, and after living their for a year i would be able to speak with authority


You'll find we're a very easy going people. And live very much by the motto of giving everyone a fair go. Hope you enjoy your time here when you get here :)

Posted: 9/1/2004, 11:43 am
by Soozy
I think I read something earlier about how the only RNC protest footage getting shown on US tv is the violent stuff. Is that true or did I misread it? I haven't seen any violent protests shown on the news here, just lots of footage of the nice peaceful peoples.

Posted: 9/1/2004, 11:53 am
by Bandalero
i've seen a few ass kickings.

Posted: 9/1/2004, 12:07 pm
by closeyoureyes
Korzic wrote:
Sine wrote:
Korzic wrote:Health care yes. Yes we're more liberal than the US... probably not as much as Canada... but it really depends where you go. Some places are more conservative than others as with any place. Sydney of course is better than all the other cities ;)

Australia is definetly not as liberal as canada. Would you call a country who BANNED Gay marriage to be liberal? Australia did. Even American hasnt banned it.[yet]


Since I live here... i would say we are liberal. Since I have also spent a great deal of time in the US and Canada. I do believe I have some authority on which to make that comment.

Apparently not Liberal enough to allow homosexual people equal rights. 39 of the 46 seats voting on the bill voted yes to ban gay marriage. Yeah, thats super duper liberal.

Posted: 9/1/2004, 2:05 pm
by nelison
a country can be liberal and still ban gay marriages. Gay marriages is just one aspect of many that make up liberalism.

Posted: 9/2/2004, 3:22 am
by Korzic
J-Neli wrote:a country can be liberal and still ban gay marriages. Gay marriages is just one aspect of many that make up liberalism.


What he said

Posted: 9/3/2004, 1:06 pm
by Bandalero
wow, bushed sucked ass last night. worst speech writers.....eva!

Posted: 9/3/2004, 1:27 pm
by nelison
I had better things to do than watch him struggle through a speeech. I'll just watch the Daily Show, and I'm sure Jon Stewart will help point out all the finer points of Bush's speech.

Posted: 9/4/2004, 1:58 am
by I AM ME
Jon Stewart is hilarious

Posted: 9/5/2004, 3:47 pm
by Tattooed Angels
Soozy wrote:I think I read something earlier about how the only RNC protest footage getting shown on US tv is the violent stuff. Is that true or did I misread it? I haven't seen any violent protests shown on the news here, just lots of footage of the nice peaceful peoples.


There were alot of peaceful protest here. There were also alot of people getting out of hand. There were 1000 arrest on Tuesday night alone


I am glad it is over and everything is somewhat back to normal around here.