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J-Neli wrote:Well being Canadian I don't know what they put in your textbooks. I have heard rumours that some of those books claim you guys won the war of 1812 but other than that I have no clue what you guys learn.

You know... it may be because I haven't had a US History class for over four years, but I don't think I ever learned who won the war of 1812.

I never learned that the White House was burnt down from taking that class. I learned it from watching one of Rick Mercer's Streeter segments on 22 Minutes.

bottom line, america tried to invade canada in the past but it was defeated, but today if you wanna take over canada pretty much a nail in a stick outta do it

I took a really in depth American history college class, in high school, and I remember that they discussed in pretty good detail that the war of 1812 was only a victory in a sense, not overall. It didn't even claim Vietnam to be a victory, like some people believe.

Most people would probably not even remember we had a war of 1812 just because history isn't something that I've seen highly emphasized here. I love history so I took the class and wanted the college credit. The required class was let's just say...a joke at best.

Cass wrote:It didn't even claim Vietnam to be a victory, like some people believe.

In my class we talked about the same thing. My teacher brought in a whole bunch of men who had fought in the war. They all said that they felt good fighting for their country, but when you're in the heat, no one's taken a shower in weeks, and you're keeping an eye out for snipers, you realize that you aren't fighting for a good reason.

You guys are surpriced your teacher's didn't consider nam a victory? it was a horrible failure, probably the most stunning since Britain failed to keep the 13 colonies

Yes, the US lost the battle in Vietnam. This was due in great part because it was a reserved war as well as a political war. We did not go at them with our full arsenal and we had politicians rather than seasoned generals leading the troops. This is because they did not want to attack the "wrong" regions in fear that China would join the war.

Ummm, what do you mean by "wrong" regions dude?

Geographically... basically, what I'm saying is that if the US pushed too far North, that may have instigated a response from China.

oh ok. Thanks

No, I didn't mean that. I meant that most people hold the perception that America has never lost or at least didn't succeed in what they planned to do. Really, people believe that. Thankfully, my history class was pretty thorough on explaining the retardedness of all these things.

and for the record Canada did win the war of 1812......how else are we still here?

Well actually "Canada" didn't win the war. The British did. Considering Canada wasn't self-ruled until 1867.

it was still Canadian men and women, fighting from Canada. It's the same as considering the 13 conlonies part of your history

nobody won the war of 1812

here's how that war went

American invade

Brittish push them out

Brittish invade

Americans push them out

war over.

yeah i suppose, but considering the 13 colonies initiated it and didnt' suceed i consider that victory on our front

That doesn't make sense

lol we're arguing over a nearly 200 year old war. I'm going to agree with the US invaded us, we push them out, we invaded them, they pushed us out answer though. You can classify it as a victory only in the sense that the USA initiated the war and was enable to come out on top. Other than looking at it from that sense, it's a tie.

Either way, those wacky american textbooks are wrong.

eveythings wrong. my history teacher kept lecturing us on how benjamin franklin would have turned over in his grave if he saw how history was being taught today and that he would have disaproved of all the propaganda yadda yadda yadda....

for the record i hated him. he looked at me funny

Did he look at you like this:



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