J-Neli wrote:Well being Canadian I don't know what they put in your textbooks. I have heard rumours that some of those books claim you guys won the war of 1812 but other than that I have no clue what you guys learn.
You know... it may be because I haven't had a US History class for over four years, but I don't think I ever learned who won the war of 1812.
I never learned that the White House was burnt down from taking that class. I learned it from watching one of Rick Mercer's Streeter segments on 22 Minutes.
bottom line, america tried to invade canada in the past but it was defeated, but today if you wanna take over canada pretty much a nail in a stick outta do it
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I took a really in depth American history college class, in high school, and I remember that they discussed in pretty good detail that the war of 1812 was only a victory in a sense, not overall. It didn't even claim Vietnam to be a victory, like some people believe.
Most people would probably not even remember we had a war of 1812 just because history isn't something that I've seen highly emphasized here. I love history so I took the class and wanted the college credit. The required class was let's just say...a joke at best.
Cass wrote:It didn't even claim Vietnam to be a victory, like some people believe.
In my class we talked about the same thing. My teacher brought in a whole bunch of men who had fought in the war. They all said that they felt good fighting for their country, but when you're in the heat, no one's taken a shower in weeks, and you're keeping an eye out for snipers, you realize that you aren't fighting for a good reason.
You guys are surpriced your teacher's didn't consider nam a victory? it was a horrible failure, probably the most stunning since Britain failed to keep the 13 colonies
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"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Yes, the US lost the battle in Vietnam. This was due in great part because it was a reserved war as well as a political war. We did not go at them with our full arsenal and we had politicians rather than seasoned generals leading the troops. This is because they did not want to attack the "wrong" regions in fear that China would join the war.
No, I didn't mean that. I meant that most people hold the perception that America has never lost or at least didn't succeed in what they planned to do. Really, people believe that. Thankfully, my history class was pretty thorough on explaining the retardedness of all these things.
and for the record Canada did win the war of 1812......how else are we still here?
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
it was still Canadian men and women, fighting from Canada. It's the same as considering the 13 conlonies part of your history
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
yeah i suppose, but considering the 13 colonies initiated it and didnt' suceed i consider that victory on our front
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
lol we're arguing over a nearly 200 year old war. I'm going to agree with the US invaded us, we push them out, we invaded them, they pushed us out answer though. You can classify it as a victory only in the sense that the USA initiated the war and was enable to come out on top. Other than looking at it from that sense, it's a tie.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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eveythings wrong. my history teacher kept lecturing us on how benjamin franklin would have turned over in his grave if he saw how history was being taught today and that he would have disaproved of all the propaganda yadda yadda yadda....
for the record i hated him. he looked at me funny
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One day we went to kindergarten and they never let us out...
