but yeah this time Raine is wrong
#1 He has no right to talk because he's never eally spent much time as a indie of unpopular band.
#2 He's never had any money problems
Raine's comments on Canadian Content legislation?
but yeah this time Raine is wrong
#1 He has no right to talk because he's never eally spent much time as a indie of unpopular band.
#2 He's never had any money problems
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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but yeah this time Raine is wrong
#1 He has no right to talk because he's never eally spent much time as a indie of unpopular band.
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Now now...lets not go too far. Saying he doesn't have a right to speak is obviously contradicting his freedom of expression granted to all canadians under the Charter of Rights. With that said, I'm sure his view is skewed as a result of a different route taken than most "indie" bands, but offering insight into a problem like CanCon with the experience he does have helps us as a society to append certain legislation.
Sure, he's a popular guy, but lets not take away his right to express himself just because we disagree with him
but yeah this time Raine is wrong
#1 He has no right to talk because he's never eally spent much time as a indie of unpopular band.
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Now now...lets not go too far. Saying he doesn't have a right to speak is obviously contradicting his freedom of expression granted to all canadians under the Charter of Rights. With that said, I'm sure his view is skewed as a result of a different route taken than most "indie" bands, but offering insight into a problem like CanCon with the experience he does have helps us as a society to append certain legislation.
Sure, he's a popular guy, but lets not take away his right to express himself just because we disagree with him
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You know what I really find amusing, almost ironic on this whole thing.
Some of you are criticizing Raine for giving his opinion( and that is all he is giving). Yet some of you have said negative things about OLP(but claim you are still fans). Some of you have giving strong opposing opinions on OLP/Raine the last 2 years, but still say you are fans.
Yet if someone says who are you to give opinions or say you are wrong, you get defensive. Yet you say the same thing about Raine.
kind of makes you wonder.
Some of you are criticizing Raine for giving his opinion( and that is all he is giving). Yet some of you have said negative things about OLP(but claim you are still fans). Some of you have giving strong opposing opinions on OLP/Raine the last 2 years, but still say you are fans.
Yet if someone says who are you to give opinions or say you are wrong, you get defensive. Yet you say the same thing about Raine.
kind of makes you wonder.
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Oh I definitely think Raine can say what he believes about the issue. I just think he's gotten to be too big of a Canadian star to know what it's like for the little bands out there.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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psycho groupie wrote: You know what I really find amusing, almost ironic on this whole thing.
Some of you are criticizing Raine for giving his opinion( and that is all he is giving). Yet some of you have said negative things about OLP(but claim you are still fans). Some of you have giving strong opposing opinions on OLP/Raine the last 2 years, but still say you are fans.
Yet if someone says who are you to give opinions or say you are wrong, you get defensive. Yet you say the same thing about Raine.
kind of makes you wonder.
I'm going to assume that at least part of that post is directed towards me. To which I'll reply:
One can say negative things about OLP and at the same time remain interested and engaged in what OLP does.
I'll be the first to admit that I have grown disenchanted with OLP since Spiritual Machines. But there are glimmers of something really special in this band's music that still keeps them on my cultural radar. As I've said before, this next album will make or break them with me.
Raine has been put on a pedestal by fans and media and when he chooses to preach from it, not everyone will agree with him.
I won't talk shit about his work with War Child because I readily agree with the cause, and Raine has backed up his talk with action.
However in this instance, he really seems to have missed the point. The tone of his criticisms (which have been more frequent than reported) and the viewpoints he chooses to express really don't consider the big picture.
Yet if I agree with nothing else, Raine has done political discourse a service by bringing these issues to the fore.
I'll give him credit for that.
I hope that amuses and stimulates your sense of irony as well.
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egotist wrote:psycho groupie wrote: You know what I really find amusing, almost ironic on this whole thing.
Some of you are criticizing Raine for giving his opinion( and that is all he is giving). Yet some of you have said negative things about OLP(but claim you are still fans). Some of you have giving strong opposing opinions on OLP/Raine the last 2 years, but still say you are fans.
Yet if someone says who are you to give opinions or say you are wrong, you get defensive. Yet you say the same thing about Raine.
kind of makes you wonder.
I'm going to assume that at least part of that post is directed towards me. To which I'll reply:
One can say negative things about OLP and at the same time remain interested and engaged in what OLP does.
I'll be the first to admit that I have grown disenchanted with OLP since Spiritual Machines. But there are glimmers of something really special in this band's music that still keeps them on my cultural radar. As I've said before, this next album will make or break them with me.
Raine has been put on a pedestal by fans and media and when he chooses to preach from it, not everyone will agree with him.
I won't talk shit about his work with War Child because I readily agree with the cause, and Raine has backed up his talk with action.
However in this instance, he really seems to have missed the point. The tone of his criticisms (which have been more frequent than reported) and the viewpoints he chooses to express really don't consider the big picture.
Yet if I agree with nothing else, Raine has done political discourse a service by bringing these issues to the fore.
I'll give him credit for that.
I hope that amuses and stimulates your sense of irony as well.
I shouldn't of said still claim to be fans. That was worded wrong, but you miss my point completely. What I meant to say is how come people can say or state their opinionis on Raine, and OLP, but Raine can not state his opinions without people gettng all bent out of shape. That is what I find ironic and amusing. I tis almost do on to others as you want done to yourself. One of the things I have always admired most about Raine was his directness on things. Whether I agree or not. He isn't afraid to state his mind, and I admire that in any person.
BTW, OLP has said over and over it isn't about being the number 1 band, selling the most records or getting the awards. They are just happy to make music that they would want to hear themselves. They have also told me this when I have told them about the criticism that Gravity was getting.
You said the next record will make or break them. Make or break them where? They are still able to tour and make records. That in itself is successful. At least they still have a fanbase that wants to see them.
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I shouldn't of said still claim to be fans. That was worded wrong, but you miss my point completely. What I meant to say is how come people can say or state their opinionis on Raine, and OLP, but Raine can not state his opinions without people gettng all bent out of shape. That is what I find ironic and amusing. I tis almost do on to others as you want done to yourself. One of the things I have always admired most about Raine was his directness on things. Whether I agree or not. He isn't afraid to state his mind, and I admire that in any person.
BTW, OLP has said over and over it isn't about being the number 1 band, selling the most records or getting the awards. They are just happy to make music that they would want to hear themselves. They have also told me this when I have told them about the criticism that Gravity was getting.
You said the next record will make or break them. Make or break them where? They are still able to tour and make records. That in itself is successful. At least they still have a fanbase that wants to see them.
Your point is buried somewhere in there, but I don't think it speaks as much to the situation of Raine Maida as it does to the situation of any prominent figure represented in mass media.
Presumably, Raine expresses his opinions in the media for people to thoughtfully consider them. By virtue of his views being widely published, his views become a part of the public domain. If "Raine can not state his opinions without people gettng all bent out of shape" this might imply that people don't care. That would be a much bigger defeat for Raine and OLP than any criticism levelled at him on an OLP message board.
I don't know why you feel this is amusing or ironic that a double-standard exists between media personalities and ordinary citizens.
For the record, I wouldn't ever tell Raine to shut up, I believe one of the roles of artists and art is to enrich and stimulate discourse in public society.
However, those who know me know that I am a big fan of critical thinking, especially with respect to what is disseminated in the mass media.
Therefore, I tend to reserve my admiration for artists that think and have something to say of real substance.
Anyone can shoot from the hip.
Clarified: the next record won't make or break OLP in the sense you are talking about. This is simply my personal opinion. I really have not liked their direction and if this next record doesn't live up to Naveed or Happiness, I don't think I'll be buying any more OLP.
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[quote="egotist]Your point is buried somewhere in there, but I don't think it speaks as much to the situation of Raine Maida as it does to the situation of any prominent figure represented in mass media.
Presumably, Raine expresses his opinions in the media for people to thoughtfully consider them. By virtue of his views being widely published, his views become a part of the public domain. If "Raine can not state his opinions without people gettng all bent out of shape" this might imply that people don't care. That would be a much bigger defeat for Raine and OLP than any criticism levelled at him on an OLP message board.
I don't know why you feel this is amusing or ironic that a double-standard exists between media personalities and ordinary citizens.[/qoute]
I am not talking about Public Domain, Oridinary citizens or what have you. I am talking about things I have seen posted on here, and on the CC. I said I find it amusing that if Raine says something people don't agree with alot of you get bent out of shpae by saying he has no clue what he is talking about etc. He is this, he is that. Yet people on the boards can say whatever they want without others critizing them. I have read alot of things about OLP, Gravity, Mike Leaving etc. Everyone has stated their opinions and although there were arguments back and forth nobody was really discouraged form their opinions. That is what is amusing to me. The fact that Raine since he is in the public eye can not say what he feels without it being misinterpated, digested or repeated over and over again on the boards, yet people can say things over and over again whether negative or not.
I really do not have a problem with Raine speaking his mind. I can agree, disagree, but I don't take everything Raine says as law.
I don't know maybe it is different for me since I have spoken to the band in person as to reading something. SO to me I see them and their opinions as I would with people I am friends with or talk to on a daily basis.
[quote="egotist]Therefore, I tend to reserve my admiration for artists that think and have something to say of real substance.
Anyone can shoot from the hip.[/quote]
So according to you, Raine is just talking BS because of who he is and he has no clue to what he is saying? I am not being nasty I am just trying to understand why you feel the way you do. I am an opinionated person also, and I can take criticism as part of change. What I don't understand is why you feel Raine cannot say anything about this subject cause you disagree with him. If people want to do something cause Raine said to do it that is their fault not his. I don't think he wants to be a ROLE MODEL(although most people in music tend to be).Then again I am not Raine. I am my own person.
[quote="egotist]Clarified: the next record won't make or break OLP in the sense you are talking about. This is simply my personal opinion. I really have not liked their direction and if this next record doesn't live up to Naveed or Happiness, I don't think I'll be buying any more OLP.[/quote]
Okay thanks for clearing that up. When you say make or break I am thinking as break them into a market or something like that. I personally like the new stuff. Is is my favorite OLP stuff?Not necessarily. Actually my favorite CD's are Naveed and Spiritual Machines. actually I like all of their Cd's. but they will eventually release something I dislike. It is is almost destiny for me with my favorite bands. Somewhere along the line they release something I absolutely refuse to listen to. OLP's time will come
BTW. I have always enjoyed reading your opinions.
Presumably, Raine expresses his opinions in the media for people to thoughtfully consider them. By virtue of his views being widely published, his views become a part of the public domain. If "Raine can not state his opinions without people gettng all bent out of shape" this might imply that people don't care. That would be a much bigger defeat for Raine and OLP than any criticism levelled at him on an OLP message board.
I don't know why you feel this is amusing or ironic that a double-standard exists between media personalities and ordinary citizens.[/qoute]
I am not talking about Public Domain, Oridinary citizens or what have you. I am talking about things I have seen posted on here, and on the CC. I said I find it amusing that if Raine says something people don't agree with alot of you get bent out of shpae by saying he has no clue what he is talking about etc. He is this, he is that. Yet people on the boards can say whatever they want without others critizing them. I have read alot of things about OLP, Gravity, Mike Leaving etc. Everyone has stated their opinions and although there were arguments back and forth nobody was really discouraged form their opinions. That is what is amusing to me. The fact that Raine since he is in the public eye can not say what he feels without it being misinterpated, digested or repeated over and over again on the boards, yet people can say things over and over again whether negative or not.
I really do not have a problem with Raine speaking his mind. I can agree, disagree, but I don't take everything Raine says as law.
I don't know maybe it is different for me since I have spoken to the band in person as to reading something. SO to me I see them and their opinions as I would with people I am friends with or talk to on a daily basis.
[quote="egotist]Therefore, I tend to reserve my admiration for artists that think and have something to say of real substance.
Anyone can shoot from the hip.[/quote]
So according to you, Raine is just talking BS because of who he is and he has no clue to what he is saying? I am not being nasty I am just trying to understand why you feel the way you do. I am an opinionated person also, and I can take criticism as part of change. What I don't understand is why you feel Raine cannot say anything about this subject cause you disagree with him. If people want to do something cause Raine said to do it that is their fault not his. I don't think he wants to be a ROLE MODEL(although most people in music tend to be).Then again I am not Raine. I am my own person.
[quote="egotist]Clarified: the next record won't make or break OLP in the sense you are talking about. This is simply my personal opinion. I really have not liked their direction and if this next record doesn't live up to Naveed or Happiness, I don't think I'll be buying any more OLP.[/quote]
Okay thanks for clearing that up. When you say make or break I am thinking as break them into a market or something like that. I personally like the new stuff. Is is my favorite OLP stuff?Not necessarily. Actually my favorite CD's are Naveed and Spiritual Machines. actually I like all of their Cd's. but they will eventually release something I dislike. It is is almost destiny for me with my favorite bands. Somewhere along the line they release something I absolutely refuse to listen to. OLP's time will come
BTW. I have always enjoyed reading your opinions.
I feel love, I feel a power. It comes to me in the darkest hour. And I want to feel it again
Teach the young people how to think, not what to think-Sidney Sugarman
http://www.warchild.ca http://www.one.org http://www.cityharvest.org/
Peace and Love
Gail E.