Why do YOU think the world is going to hell?

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/5/2003, 10:58 pm

No, she's saying PEOPLE who don't believe in God, not God him/her/itself. As a person who doesn't believe in god, I take offense.

If she had said "Muslims" or "Jews", or really, any other minority, we would all have been disgusted. But atheists, hey, they don't count, we can single them out, right?

It's sickening. I'm not intolerant of her, I'm intolerant of her attitude. It's attitudes like that that keep humanity hating and killing each other.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 7/5/2003, 11:02 pm

I don't believe in God and I didn't take offense to that. I suppose I just took the comment a different way than you did. Your anger is understood. Sorry for callin ya out there.

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/5/2003, 11:03 pm

No problem.

joe_canadian · Post by **joe_canadian** » 7/5/2003, 11:11 pm

I don't think she blamed atheists, she expressed a common religious view: if everyone did believe in God and followed one code of religious ethics or another, people probably would tend to get along better, but unfortunately that's a totalitarian ethic. people are different, so people won't get along. I think that's what she meant. but I don't think she was being intolerant, was she?

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/5/2003, 11:18 pm

Not true. Ever read the Bible? Eye for an eye? Stoning people for the tiniest offense? I don't think the world would be a better place if we all followed those ideals. Ever see godhatesfags.com or godhatesamerica.com ? Those people follow a very strict code of religious ethics, but could you imagine what kind of horrible place the world would be if they ran things?

Despite that, atheists tend to be very moral people, because we feel like we have to prove ourselves to those who think you can only be a good person if you believe in god.

Maybe I overreacted, but I'm sick and tired of hearing that the world would be a better place if people like me didn't exist.

joe_canadian · Post by **joe_canadian** » 7/5/2003, 11:20 pm

I'm just stating another view Aerin, it's not even mine, I don't mean to offend, I'm just adding this to the gamut for discussion.

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/5/2003, 11:26 pm

I understand. I hope you didn't take my comment as attacking you personally. It's just that all I ever see on the news these days is episodes of hatred and violence, all based on intolerance. It's this idea that, if everyone were just more like US, the world would be better, and if they aren't sufficiently like US, well, we'll just kill them, or assimilate them, or alienate them.

I hate the us vs. them mentality. I hate that people are always seeking to draw lines between people: WE'RE straight, THEY'RE gay, WE'RE Christian, THEY'RE Muslim, WE'RE American, THEY'RE not. And then, ideas are built upon these distinction that WE are somehow better than THEY, that we are somehow more human than anyone else, and that justifies treating them as subhumans.

It makes me sick. Why can't we all just get along?

joe_canadian · Post by **joe_canadian** » 7/5/2003, 11:28 pm

I agree with you totally. I know people who will say that it is a betrayal of their beliefs to not stand up for them, but I personally think you can have your beliefs and voice them, but you can not take away another person's freedom to choose.

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/5/2003, 11:29 pm

Exactly.

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 7/5/2003, 11:35 pm

plus if you truly have faith then you don't need to argue with other people about it, if you are maybe that means your secretly doubting.........or you think your better then others which is in direct conflict with most religons

man, why can't we all just be Budhist? Serioulsy they respect other religons and how many ties do you hear about rebel budhist forces making terrorist attacks?

Candy-coated Fake · Post by **Candy-coated Fake** » 7/5/2003, 11:38 pm

There should be a thread on alienation. Someone start one, I am far too lazy. Feel free to keep posting why you think the world is going down the shitter.

Haven't posted mine yet, so here goes!

1. Government
2. Intolerance
3. Technology
4. Media (not all but some)
5. Just plain old society. Society sucks. :nod:

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/5/2003, 11:40 pm

And didn't Jesus say that you should only pray in privacy, that religion was a private matter? I don't understand why people need to be so intrusive and public about their religion. I'm not saying people should hide what they believe, but I don't understand why some people make such a big deal about things like mandatory prayer in public schools, for example. Why aren't they satisfied with praying for themselves? Why do they want to force others to do it, too?

Candy-coated Fake · Post by **Candy-coated Fake** » 7/5/2003, 11:42 pm

< thinks a thread on religion should also be started. No offence to anyone...but this topic has, well, really gone "off topic." Can we please get back to the real queston? Thank you.

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/5/2003, 11:45 pm

You can't fight the spam!

:spam:

...sorry.

Candy-coated Fake · Post by **Candy-coated Fake** » 7/5/2003, 11:47 pm

Damnit. I'll just sulk in some corner of this message board.

One-Eye · Post by **One-Eye** » 7/5/2003, 11:49 pm

Reason #857 that the world is going to hell: Spam.

Candy-coated Fake · Post by **Candy-coated Fake** » 7/5/2003, 11:51 pm

Yes, I'd have to agree with reason #857. Spam is evil! :evil:

I AM ME · Post by **I AM ME** » 7/6/2003, 12:05 am

lol many of us were chased from the CC by spam natzi's isn't that right lando?

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/6/2003, 9:13 am

Aerin,

Singling out the Republicans as a reason why the world is coming to an end is definately not creating a "THEY" group huh?

call me andrew · Post by **call me andrew** » 7/6/2003, 11:46 am