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if nobody voted, government would fail.

therefore, don't vote. don't recognize/legitimize the regime.

learn to question the legitimacy of demockracy.

there will always be someone to vote, and if there are only a select few that do, it causes basically a dictatorship. I understand not respecting government, but not voting doesn't help. there's no way everyone will stop[ voting, and even if it did happen, it isn't like they're going to go "oh no! no one voted, now we have fallen into anarchy! The government just disapeared!" more like they would just keep the same ruler, or in Canada's case the queen would probably select someone, even though the situation is immposible, because even if wide spread movemet took place SOMEONE would vote. Hell The current party would vote.

who gives the government power?

the people.

how?

by voting.

if you don't vote, you take away that power. how can they say "we govern with the approval of the public" if the public obviously didn't approve. of course, you have to take it one step further then not voting. don't vote and don't recognize their rule. refuse to co-operate with their agents and their controls. exercise your rights regardless of their demands. but it starts by demonstrating to them that they don't have your permission to control you.

why should i aid my opressors in opressing me?

well i understand your idea, but simply not voting isn't going to help untill you go all the way, and seeing as how there's not going to be anarchist revolution anytime soon, why not vote for the lesser of evils? if more people had voted Bush probably wouldn't be in power, and would that not have been a good thing? if you want anarchy do like the Communists and start a party and vote for them, who knows then maybe you could get the change you wanted, as i said The communist party actually has a viable caidate in my city. If could would you not wish to be ruled over by the Lesser of "tyrants"??? At least untill you get your revolution? And i hope you relize it's kinda hypocrit if you use any government services.

exactly, put up a canidate that is willing to demolish all good things in your country and let him scare away big buisnesses so that there is no jobs, no food, and no one looking to help you at all. these companies aren't going to allow you to take away their profits and wealth, they are just going to relocate and leave you starving. the natural gas company who's headquarters are somewhere else will shut off all gas to you, leaving you only with a scarce supply of liquid gasses, out of which you should only use to start a fire and cook something with. The governor of your state/providence or maybe even the head guy in charge of your country is going to consider you a comunist threat and constantly have you arrested for things you didn't do or under survalance. they'll line the border with cops, border patrol, and sherriff because they can't have you spreading communist propaganda. that and because no one wants you in their county or country. so your stuck in your little shit hole, without food, without money, and without much left. after all, everything you had as a citizen of your country goes out the window when your considered "little havana". they'll start or prolong a war in the southern paciffic and "draft" people who affiliate with you and your cause, so that you can die and not be an enemy of the state. then the party that lost the election because you stole their votes and voters from them is going to set up your canidate and he'll be in prison, giving up any rights he used to have to be a politician. all of this so that the party can kill your movement and get it's voters back. they might make a few changes, but history shows me that you need to have stolen 200,000 votes. oh, and this was during the George Pharr days, so it might be more. good luck.

there's a man names Ramsey Muniz that went through this. He lives in Michigan now. any of you who might know who this guy is, or gets a chance to meet or hear him talk, ask him about his Raza Unida days. (he's a damn good speaker from what i hear) I think he's a lawyer now. He was elected to the city council in Crystal City, Texas, and went to CUBA to look at the school systems there. he and his fellow board members came back wearing fatigues and preeching comunism, they scared all major agricultural companies out of the county. they put their people through this kind of crap. on just the SCARE of comunism. the only thing this man wanted to do was to show the world how white people treated Hispanics back in the day. He brought light to alot of issues that Jesar Chavez left out, and to me he was a little more successful. I think this guy is something great, and that the Raza Unida Political party WAS great. it WAS needed, but if you look today at some of those issues brought up back then they are not issues now. so it's not needed anymore, just like affirmative action, it shed light on the subjet, maybe it was needed for a few years after, but that's it, we get the idea. it should be gone.

but those were real issues he fought for. what are yours?

great job, except the communist thing, anarchy is teh opposite of communism, that's also where America and Canada differ, we arn't scared of communism like you guys, i know it sounds absurd to you, but really the only thing communism causes is a minor discomfort for most people, and that's just because we learn from american tv that it's "BAD". Really here communists arn't tracked down or anything, they're just another legit minor party. Since the cold war in america americans think left -wing = bad guys, or left-wing = communism, here in Canada we're very open to liberal ideas, Not RUSSIAN communism, but even in school the ideas of carl marx are unbiasedly taught in history, and it ussually is even explained as a perfect government on paper, it just never works in real life. lol, don't want to sound like i'm a communist , i'm actually just a supporter of Democratic Socialism.

I'm telling you ALL this.........when (not IF, when ) I run for public office, and I'm not campaining near any of ya's.

Clumsyboy wrote:great job, except the communist thing, anarchy is teh opposite of communism, that's also where America and Canada differ, we arn't scared of communism like you guys, i know it sounds absurd to you, but really the only thing communism causes is a minor discomfort for most people, and that's just because we learn from american tv that it's "BAD". Really here communists arn't tracked down or anything, they're just another legit minor party. Since the cold war in america americans think left -wing = bad guys, or left-wing = communism, here in Canada we're very open to liberal ideas, Not RUSSIAN communism, but even in school the ideas of carl marx are unbiasedly taught in history, and it ussually is even explained as a perfect government on paper, it just never works in real life. lol, don't want to sound like i'm a communist , i'm actually just a supporter of Democratic Socialism.

You may be surprised to learn that the ideas of Carl Marx are also taught unbiasedly in the US.

Doug and Chris,

to really make a statement, simply vote for yourselves during elections. In theory, if everyone voted for themselves, there would be a 6,000,000 tie for first. What could possibly be more libertarian than that?

clumsy_congressman wrote:I'm telling you ALL this.........when (not IF, when ) I run for public office, and I'm not campaining near any of ya's.

i'm thinking about running for somethng too now a days.

good point corey.

but my name isn't on the ballot. maybe next time i'll write it on.

but isn't that a crime? to deface the ballot, i mean.

i. when i was in social studies 30, the government mandated history/politics course in alberta, i learned the following:

capitalism is: the united states today.
communism is: china, russia and cuba.

both are lies. i was taught that karl marx was a supporter of centralized government and a command economy. he was not. i was taught that it was the uninhibited market which caused the great depression. it was not.

public education in canada is indoctrination. it is designed to make you believe that our centrist "mixed-economy" is the only way to go.

it is not.

ii. "communism works on paper, just never in real life" i have heard this statement hundreds of times, and never has it been uttered by a person who could support it. it's just a catchphrase.

communism does not work on paper. i submit the ludwig von mises book, socialism which proved the command economy is economically impossible. <a href ="http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msSContents.html" target ="new" class ="postlink">socialism</a>, also, <a href ="http://www.mises.org/econcalc.asp" class ="postlink" target ="new">economic calculation in the socialist commonwealth</a>

furthermore, communism is a morally and ethically flawed social system which advocates the use of coercive force to make men act irrationaly.

communism sucks. period.

iii. it doesn't matter to me if george bush gets elected or not. do you really believe that al gore would be any better? i submit that he would be, within an issue or two, exactly the same. and nader? i shudder to think what would've happened to america had that tyrant been elected. for all intended purposes, bush is the lesser of two evils. in canada, the political situation is far worse. every party is left-wing. none of the political parties in canada, with the rare exception of the marijuana party, agree with me on a single issue. why vote for any of them?

because if you vote and put the lesser of your evils into office then your not as bad off as you are when the extreme leftist devil from hell wins.

there is no "lesser of evils"

there is only good and evil. degree is subjective and can't be used in an objective debate. if evil exists as an object quality, then all things that are evil must be judged the same by a rational mind.

by voting you become part of the problem, not the solution. how many times have i said that voting gives legitimacy to the regime?

what about my beliefs is so complicated? i don't believe in the regime. why would i want to legitimize it?

because when you don't vote your not underminding the system either, your just in limbo. you talk and ask for things to come but they never will. spearhead a revolution. that's what both of our countries need. someone who's crazy and who's going to scare and threaten the norm and push the envelope till he makes his point. reguardless if this individual wins the point is that eyes will open and who knows who will pick up the cause and fight for it.

it's not about undermining the system. it's about not participating in a process that is coericive and irrational.

crystal baller wrote:by voting you become part of the problem, not the solution. how many times have i said that voting gives legitimacy to the regime?

then find the solution.

if it was that easy, we wouldn't be having this discussion. at present, i am not very well equipped to make any significant impact on the current status quo.

however, it is my aim to make this the focus of my adult life and career. hopefully, i will be able to bring about some change for the better.

correct me if I'm wrong, but you can write in votes as well? That is, enter a name that doesn't appear on the ballot.