I'm a bit hesitant to rate each song before I hear the actual CD in it's entirety and everything that's really going on. I think I really need to stop listening to it though before I play it out for myself. I've had "Allowance" on repeat all day.. I think it's one of the greatest songs ever and so perfect. I love the way the track opens up, the way Raine sings it and his lyrics with the falsetto in the background.. The melody is hopeful. The way he delivers his last lines kill me each time.
FITHH is catchy as fuck.. Great choice.. I don't even remember the wolf compared to this. I think it was a right change.
Can't wait to hear the actual disk...
By the way.. The only real compliant I have is.. What the fuck happened to Windowseat?? It lost a lot of emotion and energy.. I don't know.. Maybe it will grow?
and if i don't make it know that i've loved you all along.
Fox84 wrote:I find that in AFAYC that Raine sounds a lot like Bono.
It's funny you mention that, U2 has a song (it's called Mofo) where "God shaped hole" is used quite prominently. In the context of that song, it's used more as filling a void caused by a lack of faith from what I can tell. Given that this song talks about the church, I wonder if it has a similar meaning here too... then again Mofo was on U2's flop of an album, 1997's POP. I highly doubt Raine's even heard it unless he was still a U2 fan then.
At one time Raine praised POP ( which I think is the worse U2 cd)
Matt(xjsb125 you wrote earlier going to wait for cd. Ha. I thought I was the only fan that has yet to listen to any of the songs. I heard Heavyweight when I was in Montreal last Feb but going to these shows totally blind. I did not even listen to any of the clips during the process. This is all new to me cause for so many years was like all of you. Listen to everthing but after the last tours got burned out and just took a long vacation from everything OLP. Did not really even listen to old songs. I see this cd and show as rediscovering OLP all over again and why I love them so much.
Interesting about Raine praising POP. While it certainly wasn't the band's best album, I'd say October is their worst but that's just my opinion. Either way, I wonder if the God shaped hole line was influenced by Mofo.
Codes wrote:They fucked Window seat, took away its awesomeness essentially and now it is just a mediocre song, probably my least fav on the cd.
I really like this song. Can you explain your complaints better? The only other versions i'd heard were 2 crappy sound check recordings from (i think) corn fest, and i couldn't even really make out raines voice because it kept peeking out the recorder.
I must say, I was disappointed with something I read in that Montreal Gazette Q&A someone posted several pages back. Jason Lader had someone he knew remaster one of the songs from the album and Raine admitted it sounded a lot better. When the journalist asked him if he'd give in and let the guy remaster the whole album, Raine said he probably would but it'd have to be the second pressing because the CDs were already being manufactured. So will later copies of the album sound better? If so, that kinda sucks. It also makes me wonder if the digital copies from Rhino and iTunes will be of the remastered or original tracks that appear on the first pressings of the album.
Codes wrote:Instrumentally the neutered it at the end, it could have had an epic outra like the live version had, but they pretty much muted it
I can kinda see that. The song just sort of dies off. Did the original not end the similarly? Did it ever have an established ending?
Also, was window seat written originally before Jason joined in the project?
As far as I know, the song was written after Jason joined the recording sessions. That fade out also drives me nuts too -- I preferred the ending from the soundcheck but who knows? The studio version they had at that point might have already been constructed as a fade out too.
DudeLove721 wrote:I must say, I was disappointed with something I read in that Montreal Gazette Q&A someone posted several pages back. Jason Lader had someone he knew remaster one of the songs from the album and Raine admitted it sounded a lot better. When the journalist asked him if he'd give in and let the guy remaster the whole album, Raine said he probably would but it'd have to be the second pressing because the CDs were already being manufactured. So will later copies of the album sound better? If so, that kinda sucks. It also makes me wonder if the digital copies from Rhino and iTunes will be of the remastered or original tracks that appear on the first pressings of the album.
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DudeLove721 wrote:I must say, I was disappointed with something I read in that Montreal Gazette Q&A someone posted several pages back. Jason Lader had someone he knew remaster one of the songs from the album and Raine admitted it sounded a lot better. When the journalist asked him if he'd give in and let the guy remaster the whole album, Raine said he probably would but it'd have to be the second pressing because the CDs were already being manufactured. So will later copies of the album sound better? If so, that kinda sucks. It also makes me wonder if the digital copies from Rhino and iTunes will be of the remastered or original tracks that appear on the first pressings of the album.
Very disappointed with this as well. Surprised Jason and Raine weren't on top of this from the start. I guess time constraints may have played a factor but c'mon.
Unfortunate. For an album that the band was so on top of every detail... every note they asked them selves how could they really take it to the next level, you'd think they would have been hellbent on making sure each of those notes was perfectly audible. I wonder how much better the second mix will be... worth a second purchase or not...
And how will we know which CDs are the better copies? I doubt iTunes or other online stores will switch tracks if new ones are released/updated. I doubt the difference will really be that great, though, at least with normal speakers/headphones.
RileyLewis wrote:And how will we know which CDs are the better copies? I doubt iTunes or other online stores will switch tracks if new ones are released/updated. I doubt the difference will really be that great, though, at least with normal speakers/headphones.
I was wondering the same thing. I'd be very pissed if I heard that the remastered version sounded much better and went out to buy a copy, only to realize it's the first pressing of the album. Maybe Trusty could shed some light on what's going on with this? I'm sure the first pressing will sound great, it just sucks knowing that there may be a version that'll be mastered better than this one to the point where Raine's admitting the second pressing may use the new masters.
this happens more frequently than you'd think, actually. It's not doing anything you'd notice unless you have production experience. It's just tightening up some parts, layering the sounds a little differently possibly. The songs themselves wont change in the slightest. Again, this is more common than you'd think. I bet this happened to Clumsy and Gravity numerous times, since they were successful albums on a major label. No big deal.
senseofurgency wrote:any guesses for a potential 3rd single(if any), i think will someday change would make an excellent single or maybe if this is it.
If it were me, I'd think "If This Is It" or "Fire in the Hen House."
DudeLove721 wrote:I must say, I was disappointed with something I read in that Montreal Gazette Q&A someone posted several pages back. Jason Lader had someone he knew remaster one of the songs from the album and Raine admitted it sounded a lot better. When the journalist asked him if he'd give in and let the guy remaster the whole album, Raine said he probably would but it'd have to be the second pressing because the CDs were already being manufactured. So will later copies of the album sound better? If so, that kinda sucks. It also makes me wonder if the digital copies from Rhino and iTunes will be of the remastered or original tracks that appear on the first pressings of the album.
Very disappointed with this as well. Surprised Jason and Raine weren't on top of this from the start. I guess time constraints may have played a factor but c'mon.
Unfortunate. For an album that the band was so on top of every detail... every note they asked them selves how could they really take it to the next level, you'd think they would have been hellbent on making sure each of those notes was perfectly audible. I wonder how much better the second mix will be... worth a second purchase or not...
I think the point that Raine was trying to make was that any other producer would've stopped once the album was done. The same thing could be done with absolutely any record, but usually it doesn't happen until 10 or 20 years later when some deluxe/anniversary/retrospective edition is released. Or when technology advances and it is released on a new format. All the songs from the first 4 records (possibly the later ones too) were remastered for A Decade, for example.
It doesn't mean the first pressing is going to be bad and in some ways mastering choices can be very subjective anyway. I hope -- if they do have this other guy remaster the whole album -- that they hold off on the deluxe version/box set and use the new masters there.
-Josh
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"The fundamental thing about music is its destiny to be broadcast or shared." -Colin Greenwood of Radiohead
I think we can all see the first pressing will be great quality in terms of production, as even the low-quality web rip sounded very tight (with the exception of that one part on Find Our Way, I think).
But remastering can make a huge difference. Listen to 4AM or One Man Army on the A Decade CD vs the originals. Huge difference. Some sounds were brought out more prominently, etc. Not saying that is the norm, but it definitely can be a difference.
