Weed.
i've come to the conclusion that it is a lossing effort, this "war on drugs". it can be won, if you take on your enemy the right way, but i'll never see that. prohabition could have been won, but they take it too lightly. i promise you that you'll see legalization before our incompedent government officals get tougher on the war on drugs.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
Well first off Bandalero I totally lost all respect when you said 'alcoholism isn't a disease.'
Secondly--the amount of uninformed suburban high schools with their razor-edge ideals, spouting off bullshit in here is incredible. I agree with Maxwell--you can't talk about the effects of weed, orANYTHING whatsoever without having tried. Weed is not nearly as harmful as people seem to making it out. You're not gonna die from it, unless you smoke like 2 ounces in 1 sitting or something. You're not gonna 'not know where you are' or something like that because your high. It's fun, and you generally have to smoke more than once to feel that--because you don't really get high your first time.
Now mushrooms, that's something else. I'd like to see someone try to raise an argument against mushrooms, OTHER than 'well you get totally out of it and if you start to drive etc..' cause that's pretty much the case with all drugs.
Secondly--the amount of uninformed suburban high schools with their razor-edge ideals, spouting off bullshit in here is incredible. I agree with Maxwell--you can't talk about the effects of weed, orANYTHING whatsoever without having tried. Weed is not nearly as harmful as people seem to making it out. You're not gonna die from it, unless you smoke like 2 ounces in 1 sitting or something. You're not gonna 'not know where you are' or something like that because your high. It's fun, and you generally have to smoke more than once to feel that--because you don't really get high your first time.
Now mushrooms, that's something else. I'd like to see someone try to raise an argument against mushrooms, OTHER than 'well you get totally out of it and if you start to drive etc..' cause that's pretty much the case with all drugs.
It’s not a disease, it's a weakness in one's self discipline. They think they can't live without it and they refuse to think otherwise. They were not born with this disease; it was self-integrated into their thinking. And what's the remedy? Someone telling you not to think that way, someone instilling in you a little bit of self disipline.
Back to weed, you forget to point out the social effects of weed and drugs in general. Where you from? Chances are you don’t see the effect it has on a small community. And I’m not talking about 100,000 or 20,000 people; I’m talking barely 1,000, even smaller towns, where drugs are an epidemic. Maybe you do live in a small town, and you just don’t see it. But how about the towns right next to another country, that’s the number one supplier of this drug? Around here, by Mexico, this shit that you like to smoke is killing people. And no, not because it’s harmful or because it’s deadly, because of trying to get it to you! The amount of people dying for this product, that serves no other purpose but to be fun for you, is amazing. Cops, Bystanders, Traffickers, Federal Agents, Illegal Immigrants, and City officials, die for this shit. Rival drug gangs in Mexico are fighting a turf war right now, because a big shot just got arrested and his turf is up for grabs. Not that any of this matters to you, what the hell do any of you care, all you know is that you can buy it right around the corner and that it’s fucking fun. You never hear these god damn stories anyway, that’s in another country, fuck it I don’t give a shit right? God fucking forbid, we shouldn’t kill innocent civilians in a WAR TIME SITUATION, but fuck it I’ll keep on smoking my shit, that just so happens to do the same fucking thing. Just say, it, tell everyone outright right now, you don’t give a shit about the plight that this shit creates here. You don’t give a shit about how this shit right here feeds on the weak, and the poor, and the desperate. It’s not just in another country, it’s here too. You ought to come down here and see it for yourself. You ought to walk into a town in South Texas with dirt streets, because it costs the small town and the poor county too god damn much to fight this epidemic, they can’t afford to pave the roads. This ain’t a rich part of the world man. And drugs don’t help us create money, jobs, or educate. It breeds corruption, and greed.
Now you probably didn’t know what it does down here, or you had no idea because the media doesn’t show it to you, but now you do. And you ought to be ashamed of your habit, or your “addiction”, or your source of fun. Whatever the hell you call it you have no business doing it.
Back to weed, you forget to point out the social effects of weed and drugs in general. Where you from? Chances are you don’t see the effect it has on a small community. And I’m not talking about 100,000 or 20,000 people; I’m talking barely 1,000, even smaller towns, where drugs are an epidemic. Maybe you do live in a small town, and you just don’t see it. But how about the towns right next to another country, that’s the number one supplier of this drug? Around here, by Mexico, this shit that you like to smoke is killing people. And no, not because it’s harmful or because it’s deadly, because of trying to get it to you! The amount of people dying for this product, that serves no other purpose but to be fun for you, is amazing. Cops, Bystanders, Traffickers, Federal Agents, Illegal Immigrants, and City officials, die for this shit. Rival drug gangs in Mexico are fighting a turf war right now, because a big shot just got arrested and his turf is up for grabs. Not that any of this matters to you, what the hell do any of you care, all you know is that you can buy it right around the corner and that it’s fucking fun. You never hear these god damn stories anyway, that’s in another country, fuck it I don’t give a shit right? God fucking forbid, we shouldn’t kill innocent civilians in a WAR TIME SITUATION, but fuck it I’ll keep on smoking my shit, that just so happens to do the same fucking thing. Just say, it, tell everyone outright right now, you don’t give a shit about the plight that this shit creates here. You don’t give a shit about how this shit right here feeds on the weak, and the poor, and the desperate. It’s not just in another country, it’s here too. You ought to come down here and see it for yourself. You ought to walk into a town in South Texas with dirt streets, because it costs the small town and the poor county too god damn much to fight this epidemic, they can’t afford to pave the roads. This ain’t a rich part of the world man. And drugs don’t help us create money, jobs, or educate. It breeds corruption, and greed.
Now you probably didn’t know what it does down here, or you had no idea because the media doesn’t show it to you, but now you do. And you ought to be ashamed of your habit, or your “addiction”, or your source of fun. Whatever the hell you call it you have no business doing it.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
dude, step out your front door .. i know where you live 
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it's not hard to get
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=589&e=4&u=/ap/20031010/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_drug_war
AP: Mexican Deserters Start Drug Turf War
1 hour, 5 minutes ago
By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer
NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico -
Members of an elite Mexican army unit have deserted and formed a drug gang, using their military training to launch a violent battle for control of this border city, Mexico's top anti-drug prosecutor said in an interview with The Associated Press.
The war for Nuevo Laredo is unlike other recent drug conflicts — it's a turf war involving most of Mexico's major cartels in broad alliances not seen in a decade. It has the Mexican army fighting an organized unit of former comrades, and it has cost American lives.
"They are extremely violent, and they are very much feared in the region because of the bloodshed they unleash," Jose Santiago Vasconcelos, Mexico's top anti-drug prosecutor, told AP.
The battles, which have taken 87 lives since 2002, have involved unprecedented alliances among Mexico's drug cartels, according to Nuevo Laredo police commander Martin Landa Herrera.
"I don't think anything like this has happened before in Mexico," he said in an interview. "I have never heard of this many cartels fighting for one piece of territory."
Known as the "Zetas" or "Z"s, the new drug gang — which appears to have won control of the city — is led by former members of an elite paratroop and intelligence battalion that was posted to the border state of Tamaulipas in the 1990s to fight drug traffickers.
Vasconcelos said about 31 of the estimated 350 members of the Special Air Mobile Force Group, posted to the border state of Tamaulipas in the 1990s, had deserted and joined the drug turf war.
"They have high-powered weapons, training and intelligence capabilities," Landa Herrera said of the Zetas, whose name comes from the radio code word designating a police commander. "They have even tapped our radio communications. They listen in on us."
The Defense Department has refused to confirm any of its soldiers formed the Zetas. But the army recently began posting wanted posters across the country offering rewards for the deserters, some still pictured in army uniforms. That led to speculation the soldiers were behind the Zetas.
The skirmishing began in 2001 as a dispute among local drug gangs that operated with the permission of reputed Gulf drug cartel leader Osiel Cardenas. By early 2002, the battle had heated up enough that the Zetas appeared, working as hit men for Cardenas in a bid to restore order.
But Cardenas' arrest March 14 during a shootout in the nearby border city of Matamoros opened the floodgates for a wider conflict. With Cardenas in jail, cartels across Mexico — Michoacan, Ciudad Juarez, Sinaloa and possibly Tijuana — sensed weakness and tried to move in on the territory.
Escaped Sinaloa drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman reportedly allied himself with the Juarez cartel, sending in gunmen to take over Nuevo Laredo. At the same time, another local trafficker tried to form an alliance with the Valencia cartel, based in the western state of Michoacan. And police even arrested a midlevel operator for the Tijuana-based Arellano Felix cartel in Nuevo Laredo.
Such alliances — and an all-out war between multiple cartels — haven't been seen since the wars between Mexican gangs in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
"We're seeing these alliances, but this is just proof of the crisis these gangs are in," Vasconcelos said. "There is no one single group strong enough anymore to dominate the territory."
The Zetas do appear to have the upper hand and are still linked to Cardenas, city police say. While dozens of hired gunslingers from other cartels have died, Vasconcelos said only a few Zetas have been killed and only one or two have been captured.
The Zetas have killed dozens of rival traffickers, trading shots from passing sport utility vehicles on the streets of Nuevo Laredo. In one attack, they engaged in a shootout in broad daylight just yards from where the city's mayor was attending a flag-raising ceremony.
The Zetas sometimes leave their victims' bodies packed in car trunks. In one massacre, they wrote information about a rival gang on a wall above a pile of victims, encouraging police to dismantle the other group.
Nobody has to tell Houston resident Noe Villarreal how vicious the war has become. On Sept. 27, a commando of at least 30 masked men carrying assault rifles kidnapped his brother — Hayward, Calif., businessman Juan Villarreal Garcia — from his Mexico home in Sabinas Hidalgo, a town south of Nuevo Laredo.
The gunmen had fanned out across the town in search of a rival. They killed two policemen, kidnapped seven people, burst into Villarreal's home — in a possible case of mistaken identity — and dragged the 78-year-old tortilla-store owner away.
The other hostages were released soon afterward, but Villarreal remains missing and is presumed dead. The area is so violent that nobody is sure who kidnapped him or why.
"I don't know if it was the Zetas," said Noe Villarreal, "because the Zetas have never released anyone alive. That's not their style."
It wouldn't be the first time that Americans have died in the conflict.
A wild pre-dawn battle on Aug. 1 in Nuevo Laredo left at least three dead — one of them a man from Laredo, Texas — and six wounded. Police and army troops exchanged fire with cars believed to be carrying drug traffickers.
The three were killed when their SUV exploded after police bullets hit the vehicle's gas tank.
And in June 2001, a couple from Laredo, Texas, — Sylvia Solis and Juan Villagomez — were kidnapped by drug traffickers, although it is unclear why. She was raped and strangled. He was beaten and buried alive.
AP: Mexican Deserters Start Drug Turf War
1 hour, 5 minutes ago
By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer
NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico -
Members of an elite Mexican army unit have deserted and formed a drug gang, using their military training to launch a violent battle for control of this border city, Mexico's top anti-drug prosecutor said in an interview with The Associated Press.
The war for Nuevo Laredo is unlike other recent drug conflicts — it's a turf war involving most of Mexico's major cartels in broad alliances not seen in a decade. It has the Mexican army fighting an organized unit of former comrades, and it has cost American lives.
"They are extremely violent, and they are very much feared in the region because of the bloodshed they unleash," Jose Santiago Vasconcelos, Mexico's top anti-drug prosecutor, told AP.
The battles, which have taken 87 lives since 2002, have involved unprecedented alliances among Mexico's drug cartels, according to Nuevo Laredo police commander Martin Landa Herrera.
"I don't think anything like this has happened before in Mexico," he said in an interview. "I have never heard of this many cartels fighting for one piece of territory."
Known as the "Zetas" or "Z"s, the new drug gang — which appears to have won control of the city — is led by former members of an elite paratroop and intelligence battalion that was posted to the border state of Tamaulipas in the 1990s to fight drug traffickers.
Vasconcelos said about 31 of the estimated 350 members of the Special Air Mobile Force Group, posted to the border state of Tamaulipas in the 1990s, had deserted and joined the drug turf war.
"They have high-powered weapons, training and intelligence capabilities," Landa Herrera said of the Zetas, whose name comes from the radio code word designating a police commander. "They have even tapped our radio communications. They listen in on us."
The Defense Department has refused to confirm any of its soldiers formed the Zetas. But the army recently began posting wanted posters across the country offering rewards for the deserters, some still pictured in army uniforms. That led to speculation the soldiers were behind the Zetas.
The skirmishing began in 2001 as a dispute among local drug gangs that operated with the permission of reputed Gulf drug cartel leader Osiel Cardenas. By early 2002, the battle had heated up enough that the Zetas appeared, working as hit men for Cardenas in a bid to restore order.
But Cardenas' arrest March 14 during a shootout in the nearby border city of Matamoros opened the floodgates for a wider conflict. With Cardenas in jail, cartels across Mexico — Michoacan, Ciudad Juarez, Sinaloa and possibly Tijuana — sensed weakness and tried to move in on the territory.
Escaped Sinaloa drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman reportedly allied himself with the Juarez cartel, sending in gunmen to take over Nuevo Laredo. At the same time, another local trafficker tried to form an alliance with the Valencia cartel, based in the western state of Michoacan. And police even arrested a midlevel operator for the Tijuana-based Arellano Felix cartel in Nuevo Laredo.
Such alliances — and an all-out war between multiple cartels — haven't been seen since the wars between Mexican gangs in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
"We're seeing these alliances, but this is just proof of the crisis these gangs are in," Vasconcelos said. "There is no one single group strong enough anymore to dominate the territory."
The Zetas do appear to have the upper hand and are still linked to Cardenas, city police say. While dozens of hired gunslingers from other cartels have died, Vasconcelos said only a few Zetas have been killed and only one or two have been captured.
The Zetas have killed dozens of rival traffickers, trading shots from passing sport utility vehicles on the streets of Nuevo Laredo. In one attack, they engaged in a shootout in broad daylight just yards from where the city's mayor was attending a flag-raising ceremony.
The Zetas sometimes leave their victims' bodies packed in car trunks. In one massacre, they wrote information about a rival gang on a wall above a pile of victims, encouraging police to dismantle the other group.
Nobody has to tell Houston resident Noe Villarreal how vicious the war has become. On Sept. 27, a commando of at least 30 masked men carrying assault rifles kidnapped his brother — Hayward, Calif., businessman Juan Villarreal Garcia — from his Mexico home in Sabinas Hidalgo, a town south of Nuevo Laredo.
The gunmen had fanned out across the town in search of a rival. They killed two policemen, kidnapped seven people, burst into Villarreal's home — in a possible case of mistaken identity — and dragged the 78-year-old tortilla-store owner away.
The other hostages were released soon afterward, but Villarreal remains missing and is presumed dead. The area is so violent that nobody is sure who kidnapped him or why.
"I don't know if it was the Zetas," said Noe Villarreal, "because the Zetas have never released anyone alive. That's not their style."
It wouldn't be the first time that Americans have died in the conflict.
A wild pre-dawn battle on Aug. 1 in Nuevo Laredo left at least three dead — one of them a man from Laredo, Texas — and six wounded. Police and army troops exchanged fire with cars believed to be carrying drug traffickers.
The three were killed when their SUV exploded after police bullets hit the vehicle's gas tank.
And in June 2001, a couple from Laredo, Texas, — Sylvia Solis and Juan Villagomez — were kidnapped by drug traffickers, although it is unclear why. She was raped and strangled. He was beaten and buried alive.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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i don't do pot, it has nothing to do with legal reasons though, same reasons i don't smoke. I think there just needs to be more education and better parenting if you want to stop drug abuse. Educate teh kids and raide them right and in most cases the kid will make a wise choice with out you watching over him at all times. I do acknowledge that sometimes there's nothing you can do though. Also i realize that dope isn't that bad, but anything else really is and it's ussually the way you start out down that trail. Not to mention tons of people think Drinking and driving is horrible but smoke up and drive all the time, that needs to change as well.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month