ClumsyMonkey.net

areusad831 wrote:i think that he should perhaps go to a vocal coach b/c the desire is there but the songs just sound out of tune

Agreed.

He needs more than voice lessons

thanks, assfuck

Can't accept criticism?

No, see, Jeff can take criticism. However, when it comes to telling him what he needs to improve, he'd rather hear it in a nice tone telling him what needs to be adjusted and how to fix it, like Stephanie said.

Anyways, Rob drove Jeff from the board by deleting posts and things of the sort that he doesn't like to see. He's been doing the same thing to me too, and it's pissing me off.

Like I said earlier Jeff, I liked it. I want to hear some vox on the second one, because I was just waiting for it to break out and sound badass.

Keep working at it, because you've made some improvements from when I first heard your stuff. Your voice has improved since you first recorded a song and shared it with me. And on top of that, you're getting a lot better at the guitar too, so everything's just starting to come together. I say if you keep working at it, your voice will become stronger and you'll only get better with the guitar.

Oh yeah, and Johnanthan or however the hell you spell it, you really are a dick, ya know that?

I'm a dick eh? And why is that Alan?

Settle down folks. There's no reason for this stuff.

Jeff, the music industry is a bitch. You have to take criticism whether worded politely or not.

Johnathan, since this is a board on which we're all friends (whether we want to be or not ) we have to be careful how we word things, so as to not hurt others' feelings.

Alan, while your account of what happened to Jeff is a little skewed, it's also completely irrelevant. I'll check on what's happening with you to see what's going on.

Now, everyone shake hands and let's not start a nuclear war.

when you make personal comments on the board they get deleted alan..simple as that..that is why there is a PM feature and e-mail. We dont need stuff like that on the board. To blame me for driving you away well that is your opinion, and if you think that is the case speak to me not the entire board.

Axtech wrote:
Johnathan, since this is a board on which we're all friends (whether we want to be or not ) we have to be careful how we word things, so as to not hurt others' feelings.

Sorry. In all honesty. I wasn't trying to hurt anyones feelings. I'll be carefull in what I say from now on.

nuclear strike averted...for now

Well, the rocket had already been fired, so we had to redirect it somewhere.

Sorry, Texas...

Axtech wrote:Well, the rocket had already been fired, so we had to redirect it somewhere.

Sorry, Texas...

that's ok, were brutes here, nuclear fallout isn't as bad as our summers.

it isn't my type of music, but i can see it being good enough punk.

As for everyone giving structure, vocals, and guitar tips, it's punk guys that's how a lot of it sounds. Punk isn't about polishing everything. Hell half of the original punk bands couldn't play their instruments, but punk was never about that. It's not sposed to be something proggy sounding, or art rock sounding, it's PUNK!

of course this is just my opinion, i don't claim to know everything about punk, and i realize their are punk bands that do use hybrids of other styles. But as far as i'm concerned it sounds like good punk songs to me.

It's emo in my oppinion, not punk

Clumsyboy wrote:it isn't my type of music, but i can see it being good enough punk.

As for everyone giving structure, vocals, and guitar tips, it's punk guys that's how a lot of it sounds. Punk isn't about polishing everything. Hell half of the original punk bands couldn't play their instruments, but punk was never about that. It's not sposed to be something proggy sounding, or art rock sounding, it's PUNK!

of course this is just my opinion, i don't claim to know everything about punk, and i realize their are punk bands that do use hybrids of other styles. But as far as i'm concerned it sounds like good punk songs to me.

being a "punk" band or singer in and of itself is not going to get you listeners or a record contract. you can be original and part of a genre at the same time and you have to have the basics down or at least be able to pretend pretty damn well or you won't have anyone (or very few) that are willing to listen to you, much less buy your recordings. would you listen to something or invest in it if it was really out of tune or the person just couldn't get a decent power chord out? or would you spend your money on someone who has put more into the musicianship part (to make it pleasant sounding) and has something that sets them apart from all the john doe bands out there? if you really want to break the rules (isn't this one of the ideals of punk rock?) you have to learn what they are and master them first. THEN you can break them and that is what makes the so-called "genius". if you don't even know what the rules are, it's kind of like being ignorant of history...you're doomed to repeat it. in the same way, not knowing the rules of musicianship will more than likely lead you to stumble onto the most basic musical mores under the flag of originality and you'll actually be achieving something that was done decades ago. such is the drawback of arrogant ignorance. the moral of the ...uh...story: learn as much as you can and use it to your advantage, whatever that may entail.

Idealist wrote:being a "punk" band or singer in and of itself is not going to get you listeners or a record contract. you can be original and part of a genre at the same time and you have to have the basics down or at least be able to pretend pretty damn well or you won't have anyone (or very few) that are willing to listen to you, much less buy your recordings. would you listen to something or invest in it if it was really out of tune or the person just couldn't get a decent power chord out? or would you spend your money on someone who has put more into the musicianship part (to make it pleasant sounding) and has something that sets them apart from all the john doe bands out there? if you really want to break the rules (isn't this one of the ideals of punk rock?) you have to learn what they are and master them first. THEN you can break them and that is what makes the so-called "genius". if you don't even know what the rules are, it's kind of like being ignorant of history...you're doomed to repeat it. in the same way, not knowing the rules of musicianship will more than likely lead you to stumble onto the most basic musical mores under the flag of originality and you'll actually be achieving something that was done decades ago. such is the drawback of arrogant ignorance. the moral of the ...uh...story: learn as much as you can and use it to your advantage, whatever that may entail.

What you said is true. And it's also the same reason why I've been teaching myself real things. I've strayed from my usual whiney writing and am trying to be artistic with it, instead of saying the same thing I've said 100 times before.

I've also given up on power chords. I'd rather learn how to play some real chords on the geetar so I can actually feel like I'm a guitar player. I finally know what a C is, and I fucking love it. I feel like I'm doing something and am reaching the wonderful world of talent.

I don't know, I just want to try something different, so if I ever go back to fast jerky guitar and my old lyrics, I know that I can completely change and do something amazing.

That's just my take on things. I like to feel artistic/intelligent, and what I'm doing works.

i agree with what you said steph but i don't exactly grasp what that had to do with my post? did i have the basic idea right or not?


Oh and also i didn't mean that they can't play, i just meant being a good player wasn't a crucial thing. I can't remember which band it was, probably the Sex pistols, or the ramones, buut i distintly remember that when they started their bass player had never played bass before, he just learned quick.