egotist wrote:Do you figure Sony could have bargained to drop that clause or drop OLP after the commercial disappointment that was Happiness?
That would explain the about-face after that record.
Was SM really that different than Happiness? I mean, it was different because it's a concept album, but as far as music goes, it's not much more commercial than Happiness.
Well, the hooks were certainly more obvious on that record.
Also, the sounds were a whole lot less layered. I guess its a matter of taste, but I would argue it was certainly more commercially palatable then Happiness.
And then, the album only got decenty treatment in the Canadian market.
Normally, I'd check myself on something like this in case I'm a moron and making things up in my head (:lol:), but at the moment I can't, so I'll just post it...
I'm pretty sure OLP got themselves excluded from the CanCon thing. I don't remember where I read/heard it, but I'm positive I did. Now, it's possible they were lying and it's not possible to be excluded... but yeah. I definitely remember hearing it.
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no you're right. I remember raine saying that they asked to be excluded from the cancon thing... i think it was a radio show interview (maybe modern rock live in montreal?) anyways, that's probably as far as it got, just asking. most likely, the record company wouldn't allow it.
When OLP did the seminar before the Manchester show in March, Raine was saying how CanCon was making Canadian artists lazy. Because they can do quite well in Canada with the 35% rule, they don't bother trying to take their music further afield and working that much harder to get themselves known abroad.
I don't know enough to know if that's true or not, but I'm sure people here will have some opinions
Open your eyes to nights and days, you close them up and float away
and somehow inbetween you've got to master lying to yourself
you back the cause, get out of school, you get a job, the job gets you
and somehow every day you end up serving somebody else
now if that ain't panic that you're feeling, then you damn well better start
you can drive it into that head of yours with the hammer in your heart.
And it's alriiiiiiiight now, take the world and make it yours again.
how is not forcing them to play more canadian content going to make them play less known canadian bands? Everyone keeps talking about how all the ever play is OLP, Nickelback and Avril......well if they didn't have can-con you think they're gonna start playing less known canadians?
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
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SoozyJ wrote:When OLP did the seminar before the Manchester show in March, Raine was saying how CanCon was making Canadian artists lazy. Because they can do quite well in Canada with the 35% rule, they don't bother trying to take their music further afield and working that much harder to get themselves known abroad.
I don't know enough to know if that's true or not, but I'm sure people here will have some opinions
That's asinine.
Canadian bands generally don't make enough money in their domestic market to travel abroad. It's a very expensive undertaking for any new artist (travel, work permits, crew etc). The logical idea for most is to conquer their own territory before spending large sums of money to market their sound in foreign countries. Canadian content is designed to help facilitate this.
As well, it is difficult to mount such a tour without foreign representation. What firm is going to take on a band to help organize a tour, if that band has zero name recognition in their domestic market? How would anyone make money?
This is why Canadian bands pay alot of money to tour Europe. Its a huge investment and cost-prohibitive for most.
OLP didn't even tour Europe extensively until after their 5th album came out. Before that they had gone over and done 10 date showcases. And Sony likely paid for those.
I really wish he would stop pawning himself off as the know-all of Canadian music. Considering OLP have zero experience in what the life of a Canadian independent band is actually like, I think it inappropriate for Raine to preach like this.
Absent Minded Guitarist wrote:You know what mate? You're sounding like a Know-All as well
It wouldn't be the first time I've gotten that label.
Sorry if I come off as a know all with this topic.
Like I said, I have just written a paper on it. While CanCon has its imperfections, its regulation is a partnership between the broadcasting companies and the record companies. To see Raine take repeated pot shots at a really unique public/private undertaking is disappointing.
We need more cultural initiatives like CanCon to increase the market feasibility of Canadian Culture.
I agree, CanCon is an essential part of Canadian Radio. Let's face it, American's have money and could easily fork over the cash to get their songs played in place of Canadian ones, if CanCon was non-existent.
I think some younger bands are thankful for CanCon, they aren't sitting back saying "hey let's make crappy music, the radio stations have to play it." I think Raine's gotten too big to know what the little bands are doing. He's pretty much the superstar of Canadian music. I don't think there's many males who rank as high profiled as Raine does.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
SoozyJ wrote:I really wish he would stop pawning himself off as the know-all of Canadian music. Considering OLP have zero experience in what the life of a Canadian independent band is actually like, I think it inappropriate for Raine to preach like this.
Now, i wouldn't call him a know-all of Canadian music, but i'm pretty confident he has a little more experience of being in an independant band than you do. I know you wrote a paper and that makes you an expert on all that is Canadian music, but he kinda lives it. I personally don't think you have more expertise on the issue than him. OLP did, after all, start out as an independant group.
If you want to call that an independent group... they were signed to Sony before they even played a show. They pretty much had monye thrown at them without putting in much work. They just made a simple 3 song demo, and got a deal out of it.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Taking into consideration Raine's upbringing in a private school and a rich family, its no surprise his politics lean further right than mine.
His experience is really very limited, and sheltered. Tell the guys in Danko Jones (who now have a great following in Norway, Finland, and Sweden) that CanCon is bad for independent music.
Didn't he say that he appreciates what it tries to do, but doesn't really succeed. HE criticized yes, but I think you people are assuming to much about Raine's intentions. Why would he not like it at all? Of course its good for Canadian's in principle, but bigger bands get preferential treatment.........I don't see why people jumped on him....
I like CanCon personally simply because most of the music I like is Canadian. If Beyonce is played one fewer times because of it, it makes me happy. I can't really talk about indie or college radio, because here we have two radio stations. top 40...or top 40. Those artists that really don't have a following outside of Canada can really benifit from CanCon, because they have an advanatage over their american counterparts in their home market.
Look at Chantal. She basically only makes money off the Canadian market. If it wasn't for CanCon, she'd probably only get played about half the amount she does now. Also, I don't really know how big are Swollen Members in the states, but I have a feeling their fame has alot to do with CanCon. They're an indie band that probably wouldn't of gotten picked up if it wasn't for huge radio play.
Question: Does this rule apply to MuchMusic and the like?
I think they have to show a certain amount of Canadian programming which is why we see a lot of their crappy "much in your space" "Live @ Much" reran over and over again for months.
Of course I haven't done as much research on this as others here... I could be wrong
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
The rule (or a similar one) applies for video channels or programs too.
but I think much plays much in your space and that shit to compete with mtv
-Sarah
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
thirdhour wrote:Also, I don't really know how big are Swollen Members in the states, but I have a feeling their fame has alot to do with CanCon. They're an indie band that probably wouldn't of gotten picked up if it wasn't for huge radio play.
Nobody knows who they are here... for a reason.... *runs*
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above us only sky, imagine all the people, <font color="#FFFFFF">living</font> for today...</font>
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for, no religion too, imagine all the people, living <font color="#FFFFFF">life</font> in peace...</font>
