so true...

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 4/2/2003, 11:25 pm

that's cool.

superboots · Post by **superboots** » 4/2/2003, 11:25 pm

there are scary dogs there.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 4/2/2003, 11:31 pm

oh...yeah, sometimes the crime spikes up really high all of a sudden, then almost immediately it goes back down. weird. :freak:

superboots · Post by **superboots** » 4/2/2003, 11:35 pm

no, i mean, in las colonias, there were lots of scary dogs

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 4/2/2003, 11:38 pm

like mangey scary or like pit bull scary?

superboots · Post by **superboots** » 4/2/2003, 11:40 pm

like pit bull scary

and lots of them

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 4/2/2003, 11:44 pm

oh.....i know people out in the valley have those kinds of dogs for protection, but what they are for in las colonias i have no clue, probably for the same reason.

superboots · Post by **superboots** » 4/2/2003, 11:51 pm

yep.

I asked the guy from the union that we were walking around with and he said that it's because a lot of the people don't have their papers, so they have the dogs to scare away la migra. :nod:

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 4/3/2003, 12:14 am

the migra aren't he only ones to be scared of, the ass hole ranchers got mercenaries to patrol their lands looking for people too. and those guys are dicks. this one story i heard was that these brush partols would find them, and take off their shoes and make them walk back to mexico. and then there are some stories where they let them loose and they hunt them down in the monte. :neutral:

they caught two of these brush patrol guys the other day, appearantly some illegals got ruffed up and went to the check point and told them who they were and what they did.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 4/3/2003, 6:35 am

reno_ruelas wrote:
Corey wrote:Would you really consider this Cesar Chavez guy a national hero?

sure, why not. i don't really know that much about him. the thing is that he led an uprising against something that he believed was wrong. i respect him for that.

I definately respect what he did and commend him for it but the comic is suggesting that we should have a national holiday in his name. There are thousands of individuals like Chavez that have done great things for this country that we don't have holidays for. I think it is definately important to learn about what he's done and appreciate it but there's no reason to have a national holiday for it. The only individuals we celebrate holidays for are the icons of this nation. (Columbus, Washington, MLK)

And even for them, we do very little.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 4/3/2003, 11:07 am

regionally it is a holiday in some parts, but i don't think it well ever be a national thing. (and i'm not sure if it should be) like in the valley, where literally there are no african american students, schools are open on MLK day. they do washington, and presidents day (sometimes) and then there are some locations where cesar chavez has a day. it's rare, but it happens.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 4/3/2003, 11:07 am

oh and he's got a highway named after him, it runs right through my town.

christa lynn · Post by **christa lynn** » 4/3/2003, 11:58 am

Corey wrote:The only individuals we celebrate holidays for are the icons of this nation. (Columbus, Washington, MLK)

I find it interesting how Columbus is considered an icon . . . how many First Nations people did he kill?

superboots · Post by **superboots** » 4/3/2003, 12:00 pm

reno_ruelas wrote:oh and he's got a highway named after him, it runs right through my town.

yup! Cesar Chavez Rd, right?

we spent a lot of time on that road. :nod:

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 4/3/2003, 12:10 pm

christa lynn wrote:
Corey wrote:The only individuals we celebrate holidays for are the icons of this nation. (Columbus, Washington, MLK)

I find it interesting how Columbus is considered an icon . . . how many First Nations people did he kill?

just because he's an icon, that doesn't mean he was a great guy. Discovering the "New World" is a pretty big deal though.

christa lynn · Post by **christa lynn** » 4/3/2003, 12:19 pm

Corey wrote:just because he's an icon, that doesn't mean he was a great guy. Discovering the "New World" is a pretty big deal though.

*feels debate virus attack* :freak:

If someone is an icon, doesn't it imply that they should be looked up to? Someone to be honored. And also, Columbus was nowhere near the fist one to discover the "new world" (if I'm remembering my social studies 11 properly). I agree that he is a prominent figure and people should learn about him, but he's not someone who deserves to be honored (largely) blindly by the public in my opinion.

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 4/3/2003, 1:20 pm

OLPMazurite wrote:
reno_ruelas wrote:oh and he's got a highway named after him, it runs right through my town.

yup! Cesar Chavez Rd, right?

we spent a lot of time on that road.

Hwy 44 has his name on it, it runs from corpus to somewhere north of Laredo.

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 4/3/2003, 1:35 pm

christa lynn wrote:
Corey wrote:just because he's an icon, that doesn't mean he was a great guy. Discovering the "New World" is a pretty big deal though.

*feels debate virus attack*

If someone is an icon, doesn't it imply that they should be looked up to? Someone to be honored. And also, Columbus was nowhere near the fist one to discover the "new world" (if I'm remembering my social studies 11 properly). I agree that he is a prominent figure and people should learn about him, but he's not someone who deserves to be honored (largely) blindly by the public in my opinion.

perhaps icon is the wrong word then. How about notorious?

christa lynn · Post by **christa lynn** » 4/3/2003, 6:26 pm

Corey wrote:perhaps icon is the wrong word then. How about notorious?

Notorious works. :nod:

sandsleeper · Post by **sandsleeper** » 4/3/2003, 6:49 pm

people are such jackasses when it comes to migrant workers around here. about a year a go some dude went and hired two men, told him he had a job for them to do. he took them out to the middle of nowhere, told them to dig two big holes, and then beat them and threw them in the holes. they died. it was so incredibly sad.