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superrgirll · Post by **superrgirll** » 1/22/2003, 2:11 pm

where is her face in the banner though?

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 2:11 pm

why would i be joking?

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 1/22/2003, 2:12 pm

Because I really can't see how Avril is better than OLP, with or without Gravity.

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 2:13 pm

i'm comparing the product they are producing right now.

so i suppose it's let go vs gravity.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 1/22/2003, 2:13 pm

superrgirll wrote:where is her face in the banner though?

The old one's probably saved in your temp files, try deleting them.

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 2:14 pm

superrgirll wrote:where is her face in the banner though?

hit refresh and you'll see it

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 1/22/2003, 2:14 pm

whenyoukissedme wrote:i'm comparing the product they are producing right now.

so i suppose it's let go vs gravity.

Even then, I'd still say that Avril and her team of writers don't stack up.

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 2:16 pm

are you kidding me?

avril's music is fresh and new. it's not like anything else out there. plus it's honest.

gravity on the other hand is old and recycled. and it's bullshit. forced and contrived.

superrgirll · Post by **superrgirll** » 1/22/2003, 2:23 pm

whenyoukissedme wrote:
superrgirll wrote:where is her face in the banner though?

hit refresh and you'll see it

whoa, something is seriously wrong with me. i can see her picture, but i meant to say WHY is it in the banner. i think i'm going crazy. or maybe someone just edited my post to mess with me. *looks around suspiciously*

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 2:26 pm

i'm sure al is just trying to make fun of me.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 1/22/2003, 2:49 pm

whenyoukissedme wrote:are you kidding me?

avril's music is fresh and new. it's not like anything else out there. plus it's honest.

gravity on the other hand is old and recycled. and it's bullshit. forced and contrived.

I could go on for hours about what's wrong with Avril, in my opinion, but there's no point to it. You're going to believe what you will, just as I will believe what I will.

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 2:51 pm

i've got time.

humor me.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 1/22/2003, 2:55 pm

a) She's pretending to be something she's not (ie "Punk Rawker")

b) She takes credit for writing things that others wrote for her

c) Even though "her" band is an intrigal part of "her" music, the boys in "her" band get little to no credit (ie Videos showing 200:1 shot ratio of her:band members)

etc.

Besides, it depends on your taste. If you like her pop punk, go ahead and like it. I had just assumed that because you didn't like OLP for being too pop, that you wouldn't like Avril for the same reason.

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 3:04 pm

in reply to a)

Avril Lavigne wrote:I know I'm not punk. You'd never see anyone who's hardcore punk on MTV. They're against all that stuff. No one actually comes up to me and says, "you're not punk," but if they did, I'd be like, "I never fucking said I was."

in reply to b)
she takes credit for the songs because she DID write them. she had to fight the record company to let the album be HER songs. the president of arista records signed her because of her voice and wanted to put tight clothes on her and sell her body and her voice. she wanted to seel her music and her songs. and now she is.

in reply to c)
only one video had a lot more shots of her. the rest were very fair. for weezer's el scorcho video, rivers demanded he get 2/3 of the camera time and the other 1/3 be divided up amongst the other three members of the band. the video for glycerine by bush is entirely gavin rossdale. reel big fish's where have you been? focuses on aaron barrett. the two most recent our lady peace videos have focused a lot on raine. i guess you hate all of those bands too.

for the millionth time. I LOVE POP. olp just makes bad pop.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 1/22/2003, 3:08 pm

First of all, I already said that there's no point in this, because you're going to think what you will, and I'll think what I will. You like Avril, good for you. I like OLP, good for me.

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 3:11 pm

you know. it's possible to have an intelligent debate.

i think she deserves all the credit she gets and i'm going to see to it that she gets that credit.

i'm sick of people hating her just because the next guy does and the next guy makes up stuff about her.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 1/22/2003, 3:12 pm

I don't hate her "because the next guy does". I hate her because I hate her image and her music.

And yes, it is possible to have an intelligent debate, but not when it's based on opinion.

committed · Post by **committed** » 1/22/2003, 3:13 pm

news flash. all debates are based on opinion.

emily · Post by **emily** » 1/22/2003, 3:13 pm

yes, one time she did say in an interview for a magazine that she was punk. then in another interview for the same magazine she said she never said that.

Axtech · Post by **Axtech** » 1/22/2003, 3:14 pm

Actually, they are supposed to be based on facts.

The point of this "debate" would be to persuade the other person to see it your way. But it's impossible for you to make me "see the light" and like Avril, as well as vise versa.