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myownsatellite wrote:I still think it was a disgusting way to talk to someone. From Johnny's story, I don't see how the person was being a shitty sales associate. He was probably following policy. For all we know, the guy could have been new and didn't know that he was allowed to bend policy for certain things.

Whether or not you feel bad about what you said to him, I'm surprised you said anything like that. It was absolutely inappropriate and I can't believe that people are sticking up for that.

There are better ways to deal with shitty customer service. Cussing at a sales associate and telling him to grow some balls is really shitty.

Yes, sometimes you need to be disgruntled when you are being treated unfairly. But namecalling and insults and the like = REALLY SHITTY JOHNNY.

I've had customers cuss me out and call me horrible names for things that weren't even my fault, and that were easily fixed if they'd just ask me to fix them instead of getting all pissed off. I've cried over it before. You have no idea how difficult it is to work in customer service until you've done it. I recommend you get a job in retail, Johnny, and then maybe you'll stop and think before you say shit like that to another person.
yes, it's not the right way to talk to someone. but, as lando just pointed out above, johnny was being accused of something he did not do. i don't know what kind of customer service jobs you've been working, but the last thing you do, as i've said previously, is put the customer in the wrong.

there's a reason we're sticking up johnny...he had a bad experience with a crappy sales associate. we've all been there trying to deal with bad customer service, and sometimes, it's just hard to keep your cool. yes, what he said wasn't the best thing he could have said, we've determined that. you don't have to reiterate it, while shouting how shitty it is of him. i'm sure you've dealt with things badly before. hell, i'm sure you've written many things on here about what you've done that other people don't agree with. but, you don't see them going, REALLY SHITTY, MEGAN! that's because on this board, most of us have a level of respect for the other people, and don't need to attack them by yelling. you stated that you thought what johnny said was wrong. fine. no need to start yelling about it. he feels bad as it is. you, someone who's always come across as friendly to johnny, should not be treating him that way. do you like yelling at your friends in person like that when they do something wrong?

and you say you've been cussed out for stuff that wasn't your fault....you know, nothing in customer service should be taken personally. if it's a fault with the company, it's not your fault. you should know better than to get hurt and cry over it. customer service is the wrong industry for you if you can't handle a pissed off customer. i've been confronted with many. i know when the issue isn't my fault, but something with the company, or another person. so, there's no reason to cry over it. you fix it, you make the customer happy, and hopefully, they thank you. sure, they may say hurtful things, but you should be able to brush it off. there's no other way to survive dealing with people on a daily basis, a good percentage who will be mad in some way.

if you fucked up and handled the situation wrong, as the sales associate in this situation did, then it is your fault. sure, the customer by all means shouldn't talk to you in the way johnny did, but it's very hard to be calm when someone's accusing you of something you didn't do, and making your experience a bad one. it's the associate's job to ensure you have a good experience, and your needs are met. why the heck else is it called customer service? if you suck at your job, you're going to get negative feedback from customers.

and maybe you should stop and think before you say shit like you did to johnny. the entire tone of your post was very disrespectful to him. we're all friends on this board, so try to at least try to consider his side before retaliating against him.
I agree.

also, I'd like to say that if a customer is coming in with a problem, there's a good chance that they're not going to be in the best of moods to begin with, pushing them further like this employee did is ridiculous.
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laurel wrote:there's a reason we're sticking up johnny...he had a bad experience with a crappy sales associate. we've all been there trying to deal with bad customer service, and sometimes, it's just hard to keep your cool. yes, what he said wasn't the best thing he could have said, we've determined that. you don't have to reiterate it, while shouting how shitty it is of him. i'm sure you've dealt with things badly before. hell, i'm sure you've written many things on here about what you've done that other people don't agree with. but, you don't see them going, REALLY SHITTY, MEGAN! that's because on this board, most of us have a level of respect for the other people, and don't need to attack them by yelling. you stated that you thought what johnny said was wrong. fine. no need to start yelling about it. he feels bad as it is. you, someone who's always come across as friendly to johnny, should not be treating him that way. do you like yelling at your friends in person like that when they do something wrong?
I would also just like to point out that I was just emphasizing. I didn't mean it to come across as yelling. And if people think I do things that are mean or horrible, I'd rather they say it, just like you did.
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Megan I thought it was yelling too, or calling him down in a sense, but it was done a lot more maturely than the first response to this thread.
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Well I'll apologize for the way my remarks came off, because I really didn't mean them to come off that way.

Look, I don't want everyone here to think I'm some stuck up bitch. Because I'm not. I just really didn't like seeing what was said and couldn't believe it came out of someone I know.
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Lando wrote:Megan I thought it was yelling too, or calling him down in a sense, but it was done a lot more maturely than the first response to this thread.
i do agree with lando on this one. although i don't agree with your view of the situation, at least you had an argument behind it, and didn't go with just saying 'grow the fuck up'.
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to play devils advocate...
how do you guys not know that dom had a bad day and was in a bad mood and has been the victim, if you will, of treatment by customers in her own life?
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that's fine, everyone has bad days, but it's inappropriate to respond the way she did to someone coming here venting and seeking advice from people he trusts the opinions of.
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at the same time however, reading a story like the one doc posted can result in memories of bad past experiences.. i personally thought of the time that resulted in the hairline fracture in my right hand after i punched the door at my moms store after some customer bitched me out so to respond the way she did could also be a form of defense mechanism almost if that makes sense
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it doesn't really. she wasn't cornered into using a defense mechanism. she didn't have to post if she didn't have something relevant/helpful to say. The way other people told Johnny his language was uncalled for or that he was out of line was much more respectable and acceptable.

He didn't come here to be bashed and disrespected as a person, his actions were out of line, why should his character be attacked? He felt bad already, thus leading to the reason he posted.
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technically speaking the only part of her post that was problematic was the last line and once one starts going its quite possible a nerve was struck so to speak.. i mean hell i know if i actually do start debating things and im actually mad, chances you'll see a hell of a lot worse from me and im a "nice guy" :lol:
(not to say that dom isnt nice for the record just that im not known for that kinda thing)
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well that and that she insinuated that he's making fun of the guy.
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telling a guy to grow balls could be understood or "seen" as making fun of him (by means of questioning his manhood etc)
whether that was the though process behind it or not im not sure but its possible
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yeah that could be, but the way it was posted sounded much more like she was saying his post on here was making fun of him for crying.
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thats also quite possible but i my hunch is on the fact he questioned the dudes manhood personally
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well, if the dude started crying because he's got a small wiener and no twins to hang out with, then johnny's comments were proven true!
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*STICKING UP FOR FUTURESHOP*
I'd like to say that "he practically accused me of plagiarism" isn't just some excuse that the customer service guy came up with. Open software cannot be returned period. That goes for basically anything that comes on a disc. When there are issues with defective products we deal with it as such. The guy was not accusing anyone of anything other then the fact that because of that reason, software cannot be returned.
Also, it was made pretty clear that you had problems with whatever product that you were returning. Thats fine. However, its also pretty clear that this was not within the thirty day return period. In some stores that doesn't seem to matter so much, but for them an open product that had been used in addition to open software that is collectively outside your return window is an issue. I don't care if it didn't work. Futureshop didn't make it. If you are past your return period, then its covered under the manufacturers warranty and the store has zero obligation to you. That may be shitty but thats the true.

Customers more and more feel a huge amount of entitlement lately, and seem to think that they are above any policies. Sorry, but you are not.




.... nonetheless the guy shouldnt be such a wimp over a mcjob like that.
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You're way off Sarah, he had the system for less than a week (not more than 30 days) and it came with two games. The guy was trying to say Johnny couldn't return the system (which came with the games as a bundle) because the games had been opened.
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futureshop.ca wrote: Simply return the product within 30 days (...) in its original condition and packaging (including all manuals & accessories) along with the original sales receipts. There will be a nominal charge for missing packaging, accessories or manuals.

Due to copyright laws, computer and game console software, music CDs, DVDs and videos in opened packages may only be exchanged for the same item.
They didn't have to do anything for him at all.
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I'm still waiting for the explanation of "practically accused of software piracy."
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Random Name wrote:
futureshop.ca wrote: Simply return the product within 30 days (...) in its original condition and packaging (including all manuals & accessories) along with the original sales receipts. There will be a nominal charge for missing packaging, accessories or manuals.

Due to copyright laws, computer and game console software, music CDs, DVDs and videos in opened packages may only be exchanged for the same item.
They didn't have to do anything for him at all.
no, they still did, they sold him a broken product. turn it on to use it and it craps out. a person should not put up with having to ship that product away to microsoft just because he opened the games that came with the bundle. If anything, they should've charged him the nominal fee for the opened software, that's all.
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