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how is it that that one history teacher from colorado got his ass handed to him because some closed minded kid didn't want to engage the debate he was trying to start? that's wrong, and as a son of a history teacher, i was pissed.

What are you talking about?What teacher?

what happened there reno, never heard that story.

a teacher in colorado compared a speech from bush to a speech from hitler and a kid recorded him and Bill Oreilly made him a martyr for it.

he only did it to spark debate.

man i'd love to get bill oreilly in a room with just him me and a camera.

would you go for the mount or for the RNC?

column a, column b.

Bandalero wrote:a teacher in colorado compared a speech from bush to a speech from hitler and a kid recorded him and Bill Oreilly made him a martyr for it.

he only did it to spark debate.

Made the kid a martr for it??

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11713011/

um...no i guess not. my bad, bad choice of werds. i've been reading alot, c'mon man i don't like books.

That is ridicoulous. We are suppose to think. we are the future after all of this country.

censorship is a great topic for discussion. what i find interesting is that in a different thread I was censored by the very same person who originally started this discussion.

I completely endorse questioning authority. To suggest

it is my belief that it is better to be familiar with offensive ideas because it allows for further understanding of them, and moreover, an increased ability to debunk them.

is a very slippery slope.

At what point does our involvement become endorsement of the behaviour? I am not sure where the line should be drawn. What does having a full page ad of your balls in a newspaper serve to prove. There needs to be some message behind an action in order for it to have a purpose. What would the message be in this example?

it is impossible for me to censor you crustine, i do not hold any power over you. censorship is the FORCED silencing of a person, i merely refused to respond to your posts.

and the full page newspaper ad was, or at least i thought it was, clearly a joke. the point of including it was simply to show an instance wherein i would support censorship.

and as far as the other thing you said goes; well, uh, i think it should be relatively clear. it ceases to become understanding and starts to become endorsement when, uh, you start endorsing it.

i was thinking of the artist who paints/photographs a disturbing picture meant to evoke emotion or discussion. Is that art an endorsement of the concept which it is exploring?

i think it depends on the context of the art.

i think you should ask the artist.

I think that feedom of speach is essential. But at the same time, it MUST be tempered with civility and a lack of bigotry. Sharing of ideas in a logical, unbiased debate is fine. But when a person becomes bigoted (which is never unbiased), or acts in a way intentionally offensive to another it's no longer free speach it's an attack on another person's psyche. Debate's main goal should not be to offend another person but rather to exchange ideas, enlighten others, and ultimatly come to the right decision on matters. To often now debate is not for these reason's, people come at it with a single-pointed, closeminded approach. There is no open minds exchanging ideas, it's one person trying to trick, trap, and out word a person into submission, and acceptance of their point of view.

Freedom of speach is one of the most important rights a society can have, but people need to be mature about it to avoid it's abuse and revocation.

You can't limit it, there's no way to set definitive lines between what is and isn't acceptable.

which is what I was trying to point out. Once you filter one thing, the control and power will want to filter more and more.

mosaik wrote:You can't limit it, there's no way to set definitive lines between what is and isn't acceptable.

I'm not saying government should limit it, but I believe that people need to be taught how to act, and what is appropriate use of speach.

but how is that to be decided? I mean what's right for you, is not always the right way