Afghan man shot by a Canadian soldier at checkpoint

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 3/30/2006, 8:44 pm

oh? sorry if i misread it but he states very clearly in his first sentance that it is only murder it if it is unlawful. therefore, i think it would be only reasonable to assume that he meant that lawful violence is not murder.

unless there's some sort of other meaning in there...

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 3/30/2006, 9:10 pm

Yes, it is reasonable to assume he meant that lawful violence is not murder. I'm not sure he meant that all lawful violence is legitimate though, if by legitimate, you mean justified.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 3/30/2006, 9:12 pm

hahaha, so wait

there is a kind of lawful, non-justified killing? and it's not called murder?

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 3/30/2006, 9:19 pm

The short answer is yes.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 3/30/2006, 9:21 pm

hahaha ok great, what's it called?

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 3/30/2006, 9:21 pm

Hey you! Boy who thinks his opinion is better than everyone else's! Stop being so condescending! It's not becoming.

(Not you, Taylor.)

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 3/30/2006, 9:29 pm

starvingeyes wrote:hahaha ok great, what's it called?

Civilians die every day. Often they are caught in cross fire or fired upon because they are assumed to be carrying arms. Many are killed for unjust reasons, but the law covers it because it is a combat zone scenario.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 3/30/2006, 10:06 pm

Chris is contesting the ethical right of the law to condone unwarranted death.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/30/2006, 10:08 pm

Joe Cooler wrote:
starvingeyes wrote:hahaha ok great, what's it called?

Civilians die every day. Often they are caught in cross fire or fired upon because they are assumed to be carrying arms. Many are killed for unjust reasons, but the law covers it because it is a combat zone scenario.

Personally, I think that's, and i'll put this as eloquently as possible, Bullshit.
But that's just me, i'm not one for wasted human lives.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 3/30/2006, 10:12 pm

Of course its stupid. I'm not arguing morality here, just whether someone can be unjustly killed without it being called murder.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/30/2006, 10:14 pm

I think it's murder, i'm surprised you would be against calling it murder, Taylor.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 3/30/2006, 10:18 pm

Sinead, my morals and views have nothing to do with this conversation. I would call it murder but I'm not talking about myself, i'm talking about the government and its view on what is murder and what is not.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/30/2006, 10:19 pm

I was confused as to whether you were arguing from a legal standpoint, or your own view.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 3/30/2006, 10:21 pm

I think it has been pretty clear.

closeyoureyes · Post by **closeyoureyes** » 3/30/2006, 10:22 pm

Now that you've said it, but before I honestly wasn't sure.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 3/30/2006, 10:30 pm

It's ok. I suppose I could have made it more obvious.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 3/30/2006, 11:38 pm

nikki4982 wrote:Hey you! Boy who thinks his opinion is better than everyone else's! Stop being so condescending! It's not becoming.

(Not you, Taylor.)

hey, you, on the witch hunt, thanks for the intelligent throught provoking contribution.

starvingeyes · Post by **starvingeyes** » 3/30/2006, 11:39 pm

Joe Cooler wrote:
starvingeyes wrote:hahaha ok great, what's it called?

Civilians die every day. Often they are caught in cross fire or fired upon because they are assumed to be carrying arms. Many are killed for unjust reasons, but the law covers it because it is a combat zone scenario.

hahah, jesus, well done.

i'll wait till the other guy posts before i comment any further.

nikki4982 · Post by **nikki4982** » 3/31/2006, 12:28 pm

starvingeyes wrote:
nikki4982 wrote:Hey you! Boy who thinks his opinion is better than everyone else's! Stop being so condescending! It's not becoming.

(Not you, Taylor.)

hey, you, on the witch hunt, thanks for the intelligent throught provoking contribution.

No problem. :duncan:

think_about_it · Post by **think_about_it** » 3/31/2006, 12:33 pm

This is quite the conversation. Killing is of course wrong but can it sometimes be justified? What if soldiers weren't in Afghanistan or Iraq? Maybe Saddam Hussein would have killed more people or maybe the taliban would be having an easier time in coming to North America to blow people up?

So when our armies are sent to either keep the peace or like now go to war against the Taliban of course there are going to be situations where civilians are caught up in the cross fire. I don't think this justifies killing but I think the bigger question is what would happen if our soldiers weren't there.

Thats just my two cents on what has been said so far.