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Cracky wrote:I agree with Taylor. I used to be pro euthanasia, but it could get really out of hand quickly, and although there is alot of suffering, having it illegal eliminates alot of suffering that could occur.

i agree as well.

but....i don't know which side of the fence i am on here. if i was in that position, i would want to die. i'm having trouble putting my thoughts to words.

I know I would hate to be a burden on my family like that. I know they wouldn't care because they love me, but I would hate to see my family's life have to revolve around me, especially when I'm unable to acknowledge them.

J-Neli wrote:

kermit wrote:

J-Neli wrote:wow I thought I had posted in this thread already... guess not...

I don't know what to make of the euthanasia debate because both sides put up a strong argument. I mean you can open it up and risk the chance of opening it to everyone or you cause thousands of people to live in pain and suffering... it's a tough choice and one I don't think a government can make. I think it should come down to the individual and not the governments decision. "I own my body, I can do what I want with it" would be the argument I'd make. It is unfortunate for the family and friends of the individual but that is besides the point.

What I don't agree with is how the US government seems to be politicizing the matter. It's weird that a person's death is benefitting some career politicians.

Lately, we've been agreeing on more and more...I'm scared.
I totally completely agree with your "individual" comment.

why exactly does that scare you? it's not like I'm promoting Nazi-like ideals or anything.

I just thought that we were complete polar opposites in out social/political views, lately I've seen that we're not.

I hate to take this conversation in another direction, but I think Matt Good's post from this evening elaborates quite well on my post from earlier.

Matt Good wrote:I’ve been trying not to bring this up, but feel I must. The media circus surrounding the fate of Terri Schiavo is simply sickening. Add to that the interference of the US government, part of which has turned it into a faith based right to life crusade, and you’ve got to wonder – if a portion of the US government is so concerned about Terri Schiavo’s right to live that they react by doing whatever they can to save her, then why in the hell aren’t they as equally concerned about this…

That's a perfectly legit. comment. I mean, there are greater injsutustices in the world (in my perspective). This is just the 'flavour of the week' news for CNN. Last week it was Martha Stewart, and next week there will be something new.

No, I think the point Matt was trying to make was that the congress is so against killing this lady, but yet okay'ed the killing of thousands and thousands of Iraqi civillians in their war. The double standards leave me in awe.

I got that too, but I got the part about the media covering the case when he says "The media circus surrounding the fate of Terri Schiavo is simply sickening."

ok true. Sorry I over-read that part. but I agree with you. It's easy to understand why the media is jumping all over this. It sparks controversy at so many levels. I'd be frothing at the mouth if I was in the media. I think it is okay for the media to use her case if it wants to hold the debate between the right to live and die, but obviously she's only the top story because she brings in ratings.

It's a sick world we're living in. People have FAR too much power over other people's lives (and deaths) and like to play god.

government shouldn't have a say in this. the only reason they are in this mess is because the parents are dragging this out.

Bush has no fucking authority to plead for this woman's case. while governor, he signed a law allowing medical centers and doctors remove respirators and feeding tubes to people who could not afford the life giving measure, or they let doctors pull the plug because there was no way that person could recover.

J-Neli wrote: I'd be frothing at the mouth

This just sent me into gales of giggles.

The point of euthanasia is to end suffering.
I dont think she's at peace now.

From Todays washington post
18 things learned fromthe shiavo case


1) Jeb Bush, George W. Bush, and Tom Delay are all world renowned
neurologists.

2) 22 successive court battles that all ended in exactly the same way
means there is something wrong with the courts, not the Schindler's
case.

3) Mike Schiavo is after money which is why he turned down 1 million
dollars and 10 million dollars to sign over guardianship.

4) Congress and the State Legislature of Florida has nothing better to
do than pry into the private medical affairs of others.

5) Pulling life support is bad in Florida when authorized by the legal
next-of-kin, but pulling life support is good in Texas when you run out
of money and the mother pleads not to pull the plug on her baby.

6) Medical diagnoses are best performed by watching highly editted
videotape made by Randall Terry rather than in person by trained
physicians.

7) Minimum wage making nursing assistants are more qualified to
diagnose a persistant vegetative state than experienced neurologists.

8 ) Cerebral spinal fluid is a magical potion that can mimic the entire
functions of a missing cerebral cortex.

9) 15 years in the same persistant state is not really enough time to
make an accurate diagnosis.

10) A feeding tube that infuses yellow nutritional goop is not really
"life support".

11) Jesus was wrong when he said that a man and woman should leave
their parents and cleave only to each other.

12) Marriage is the most sacred of all unions, except when it isn't.

13) Interfering in a family's private tragedy is a great reason to cut
short a vacation, but getting a memo that warns a known terrorist is
determined to strike inside the US is cause to relax and finish up some
R&R.

14) Pro-lifers are really compassionate people which is why they are
hoping that Michael Schiavo dies a horrible painful death.

15) The Supreme Court of the United States and the State Supreme Court
of Florida mean "Maybe" when they are saying "No!".

16) Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is a bleeding heart liberal.

17) 7 Supreme Court Justices were appointed by republican presidents,
so it's Clinton's fault.

18 ) A judge who makes rulings based on the law is obviously an atheist,
liberal, democratic activist even though he is a conservative,
republican, Southern Baptist

Nice post, Jim.

Also, for people who claim that pulling the plug would be 'playing God.' Haven't we as humans been doing that since the dawn of existance? Cultivation, fertilization, embryonic stem-cell research, Asprin, vaccinations, the law. They're all attempts to control the environment, lives, biology, the way we live our lives. Are they not playing God as well?

It was actually taken from Matt Good's comments section and is from the Washington Times... I merely copied and pasted lol

But I agree, deciding the fate of an individual is not playing God. Everything up to this point in time has been created and decided upon by humans. If someone wants to make the argument that God equals man and man equals decisions/history, and therefore God equals decisions/history, then I say that if God gave us the ability to pull the plug on someone then it is no different than giving people pills or anastetic. If God did not want us to have the ability to "play God" then why did he make us able to do so?

Well, that was some mighty-fine pasting.

Exactly, it really brings into question the argument of fate and destiny. (I always piss people off when I say this) But perhaps a murderer could be acting on God's will. I'm sure you've heard of the phrase that "God works in mysterious ways." I can't wait until all the thesists jump on me for this.

Or murderer's exist (as well as all of us) simply because God doesn't exist.

Which is a belief that I follow much more.

Or murder exists because God gave us choice.

Hey thats a simple thought.

But supposedly God is the only entity that should be allowed to take a life, so by giving us the ability to end another one means that keeping the feeding tube out of Terry Schaivo would not be playing God, rather just excercising our freedom.

actually, keeping the feeding tube IN would be playing God. If it had been left to nature she would have died long ago.