Weed.

[Ignignokt]

i can name a bootlegger who became a big business man after prohibition

his name was Joseph Kennedy.

[Ignignokt]

and growing weed isnt that easy

you need more than just seeds dirt water and light

maybe you should look into agriculture a lil more bud.

[Axtech]

Actually, my aunt and uncle have a patch of weed growing outside their cottage. They didn't plant it, so it was either their neighbour or the people that lived there before.

[Joey]

Yeah, I have a couple friends that have it growing in their house .. it's kinda sad, but they've got a garden of weed in their closet.

[Sufjan Stevens]

Weed is nothing, my friend grows shrooms in his closet. Now that's good times!

[Joey]

mmmagically delicious

[Bandalero]

and growing weed isnt that easy
you need more than just seeds dirt water and light
maybe you should look into agriculture a lil more bud.

what else is needed, please ag guy tell me. nevermind the fact that i had friends in high school that grew a plant at the school, with just those materials.

and did kenedy go from bootlegging straight into brewing?

[Ignignokt]

no he used the money he made from bootleggin to become a very successful business man and established a name for himself and his family.


and to properly grow weed, like any other plant, it needs other things, such as fertilizer and things to stop bugs from eating the plant.

you people act as if man made weed.

hemp is a natural occuring plant, its not something some chemist came up with back in the day.

[happening fish]

If it occurs naturally, then it obviously doesn't necessarily need fertilizers and insecticide to grow... you just totally contradicted yourself

[Bandalero]

no he used the money he made from bootleggin to become a very successful business man and established a name for himself and his family.
and to properly grow weed, like any other plant, it needs other things, such as fertilizer and things to stop bugs from eating the plant.
you people act as if man made weed.
hemp is a natural occuring plant, its not something some chemist came up with back in the day.

that's right, but he never did sell alcohol legitamately for money. some of the rich gangs can retire like said kenedy, but what about the poor ones? they'll move along to other drugs, like your coke, ex, heroin, ect.

we should just kill addicts off in my opinion. addicts/alcoholics not just ocasional users, though if caught they should go to a real prison not this staste of the art bullshit resort type prison. alcoholism isn't a disease. addicts don't help society at all. they're a burden on tax dollars, because they claim they're sick, and they need treatment but they can't afford it because they spent they're last 20 bucks on their last fix. that's bullshit, they're just weak. they're to damn weak to do something about their habbit, they're to weak to quit. they don't have the self-discipline to help themselves, so really why bother helping them? theres no need for programs, or state of the art prisons for people that can't help themselves. i say FUCK EM! and the mero mero's of these drug gangs should be publically executed, and their body pissed/shitted on as they drag it through the streets on the way to the dump. i guarantee you they'll be a line for miles of angry pissed of people waiting their turn to piss on them, the bathrooms will clear out if this were true. anybody growing shit like this ought to lose their lands, and it should be given to the homeless. i bet a few of them could make good use of land like that. your a land owner now, get yourself a grant for farm materials, or use the confiscated stuff, put the seed in the ground before the 15th of febuary or march (i forget) and if it goes to shit, guess what, you put the seed in before the 15th, your insured! (I know this because i'm an ag boy. )

what's wrong with these ideas? why is it other countries can do this but we can't? what's unamerican about being tough on crime?

[Ignignokt]

alcoholism IS a disaease

its very hereditary as well.

[Ignignokt]

and you know what? my good friend used to be really bad into drugs. and guess what he's doing now? he's a junior in the OSU architecture program. top of his class. and this fall he is going to study at the american institute in rome. the top design school in the world. so don't say shit about addicts not being worth anything buddy. you don't know shit. you ever seen the movie blow? u know when they are talking about how much coke he had in his system when he had his heart attack? my friend had TWICE that much in his system and he is still alive. just because someone is addicted to drugs , doesn't make them worthless for all time. we should help these people. id rather spend my tax dollars helping people get better than making bigger payrolls for the congressmen.

and yes weed is a natural occuring plant, i was saying that it wasnt engineered by men into what it is. i was saying that it was here before we were, but still to grow it well you need to fertilize etc., just like any other crop.

[xoNoDoubt69]

My uncle is a recovering alcoholic. Hes been sober for a little over a year. I very much disagree with your statement to kill all addicts. Sure there are some addicts who don't want help like my Uncle was but when he realized how much he was hurting all of us he decided to get help and i'm very proud of him for that. It is a disease. I went to a NA meeting recently when he celebrated his year sober and you meet all kinds of people.The people who have been sober for years. The people just there for the first time and they all had one thing in common. They went to the meeting cause they decided they wanted help.Not all addicts deserve to die. There are of course some who are doing all the shit they do cause they wanna die but the majority aren't like that. I'm not making excuses for them of course . I just don't think all deserve to die cause they have this problem.

[Bandalero]

what was he doing when he was a coke addict? how was he doing? what did he accomplish with the drug in the system?

now look at him now.....minus the addiction. alot better, without poison running through the veins. he'd have a full ride if it wern't in his system.

[Bandalero]

see, and in both these situations, these people have helped themselves. they've opened up their eyes and assessed their situations. they've come to the conclusion that they need help.

there are so many others that don't care for help, that are strung out and wasted, and cops bring them in and give them treatment that they never asked for. judges order them to a detox center or a facility that they never wated to go to. many will go back to they're ways, a few will open up their eyes and recover. i guess it is a good system if it helps those few. but you shouldn't have to constantly help a person over and over again, when it's obvious that they don't want it.

what it all comes down to is this, what good is this stuff? it might have a better purpose in a hospital or in moderation, but having it on the streets does no good.

[Ignignokt]

he does have a full ride

and when he was doing drugs, he was in a band. they made amazing music and had a record deal. they played a ton of shows including Rolling Rock Town Fair. everyone in the band then went seperate ways. did i mention he is going to the american institue in rome? you don't apply to this school, you have to be nominated to go. if you want to see some of his work, go to the new arts institute out in i think its seattle. he helped design that building.

[Bandalero]

and he was willing to throw it all away, by putting so much stuff in his system that he could have, should have died from it. even if he was caught in possession, he would have been labeled a junkie, and it all would have fallen apart for him.

I like taking Risks, Risk itself isn't just a board game about world domination, but what's the point of risking it all for drugs?

[Ignignokt]

you can deny this all you want but drugs enhance alot of things

weed enhances creativity and thought

X stimulates your senses and causes heightened sensation of touch and things like that.

acid basically makes you look at the world completely different.

now coke, heroin... those are useless... i dont really like x either. but weed and acid are quite interesting if you examine what they do to your brain and how they interact chemically and create these things...

[Bandalero]

what a difference a weekend makes.

my harsh statement about addicts and addiction were by far the most un-PC thing to say. and now after thinking about the situation, i've come to a conclusion. my previous statement is false, and in no way represents my stand on the topic of addicts. i will however stand by my claim that drug addiction and alcoholism is not a disease, but rather a weakness. with this in mind i'd like to bring up a point made by Andrew Jackson:

"Women are the weaker of the sexes. It is the duty of true gentilemen to protect women from any harm and it is our duty as gentilemen to stand up for rightous women when false accusations have been made against them."

these of course were times that this statement (or something like it) could be in fact stated. by no means am i calling out the opposite gender here and saying that they are weak. what i am saying though is this, addicts are the weaker individuals of society, they are victims of greedy, lazy drug cartels that simply want a better lives for themselves, without earning an honest living. cartels make money feeding addictions, they make money by harming weaker individuals. as a member of society, i now feel that it is our duty to protect these individuals from those who look to profit from many peoples faults. the simple solution back in the 1800's was a duel, and the modern day version of this is the drug war. also the art of imprisioning drug offenders should stop to some extent. i feel that it is in our best interest to try and rehabilitate them, atleast once. if no changes in their drug activity have been found out by this process, then we should imprision them, for their own safety. and when i say prison, i mean a shit hole, not these damn high-tech places. some place that they surely do not want to be, a place that if caught with possession while in confinement will only make their visit to the institution alot worse. and when they leave this facility, they do not want to go back.

my stance on the trafficers, growers, and dealers has not changed, i truely think they should be publically executed, in an effort to curve the recruitment of new offenders. the objective i would like to see in the war on drugs is this, not total zero tolerance, but rather a constant reminder that drugs in America will not be tolerated, and that the attempt to distribute drugs will result in consequences.

the same could be said about alcohol, however, it's regulated, and easily done. with pot and whatever other "natural" source of mind altering substances, that is simply to hard to do. it's easy to get your hands on feralizer too, in fact if you wanted chemicals sprayed on your crops, you don't have to buy it. you can co-op with someone with a crop dusting plane and would never have to but those materials yourself. all you really need, is what i have listed in a previous post. not only that but also, it is more socally acceptable to be a casual drinker then a casual pot smoker.

and then there's propaganda....the good olde P word. it's good for you, it makes sex feel better, it makes you more creative, it's natural so it's not that bad. what a bunch of crap. Edgar Alan Poo used to drink abstine, and he wrote about the hallucinations that he saw. that's not being creative, that's just reporting side effects. everyone's bought into this concept that he was a brilliant writer, except me. to me he was a weak individual, that tried to profit from his weakness. there's a whole slew of others too, and the hypocritical media praises authors for ther creativeness, but crap on rap artist, that rap about smoking weed. they both advocate the use of drugs, one's more blunt then the other. that's what rap is, it's suppose to be "real" or whatever, but for their honesty they get bad pub. and the same goes for any musician really, but authors, no can't touch them, god fucking forbid you burn a book, you godamn nazi, but you can stomp on a cd with bad language, and your an activist.

ok where was i...fuck! oh yeah pot. there are plenty of people all over the place, who don't need weed to be creative. they don't need that claim to explain their genious, or that excuse for their screw ups. people enjoy sex, with out drugs, just as good as people on drugs, and catagory 5 hurricanes are natural too, that doesn't make them good for you neither.

[starvingeyes]

honestly reno, do you think that repealing prohibition was a good idea or a bad idea? do you know why prohibition was repealed?

i mean, considering that as a historical example, can't you see how the war on drugs is a waste of time?