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emily wrote:I see humans as much of animals as cats and dogs. We just have more intelligence. But I don't want this to get into an evolution-creation battle.

Humans have the ability to reason. That's what separates humans from animals. Animals act on instinct, not reasoning and logic. So are you saying it's alright for humans to act like animals?

And also for the 'two consenting adults' thing. Is murder ok if it's between 'two consenting adults'?

"I hate myself and want to die."
"I'll help you!"
"Gaaaah!"
"Well, that was messy."

Suicide is a human right. As is assisted suicide.

It's often a stupid and selfish way out. But it is a right we all have.

1. False analogy. Murder and adultery are two things so radically different that you can't compare them in this way.

2. If a person in sound mind wishes to die, then let them. It's their life, it's their choice.

Daiye Spa wrote::roll:

Suicide is a human right. As is assisted suicide.

It's often a stupid and selfish way out. But it is a right we all have.

Are you serious? I thought that was illegal! Consider me enlightened.

It is illegal.

But it's still a right we should have. In the case of suicide, pretty difficult to prosecute anyway...

Narbus wrote:1. False analogy. Murder and adultery are two things so radically different that you can't compare them in this way.

2. If a person in sound mind wishes to die, then let them. It's their life, it's their choice.

Maybe so, but adultry isn't a fun thing either. It can totally wreck a person emotionally, which could, in turn, lead to suicide. Sorry, that was a bit of a stretch.

Is marriage a legally binding contract?

Yes, but the law has nothing to say about sex outside of marriage.

Is that right? Then what does it say?

About what? Adultery's not illegal. Premarital sex isn't illegal. The supreme court just made sure gay sex wasn't illegal. What's illegal now is incest, pedophilia, and rape. Stuff that is nonconsensual and/or harmful to participants or resulting offspring.

In the legal sense, marriages are contracts, all about taxes and other mundanities. Which is why religious laws and social laws are different things. Just because one set of laws adds importance to one thing or forbids another doesn't mean the other does.

animal

\An"i*mal\, n. [L., fr. anima breath, soul: cf. F. animal. See Animate.] 1. An organized living being endowed with sensation and the power of voluntary motion, and also characterized by taking its food into an internal cavity or stomach for digestion; by giving carbonic acid to the air and taking oxygen in the process of respiration; and by increasing in motive power or active aggressive force with progress to maturity.


this is how I see animal, in Latin: living soul.

Daiye Spa wrote::roll:

Suicide is a human right. As is assisted suicide.

It's often a stupid and selfish way out. But it is a right we all have.

That is ridiculous. Someone who wants to die may be in a moment of depression. In no way conceivable is assisted suicide ok. If a person takes their own life, then fine, nobody's hands are dirty but their own. If you "assist a suicide", it is doubtful that you tried every possible means to talk them out of it. Now, I'm not talking about "pulling the plug" for people on their death beds here. That is a different story. If the person is perfectly healthy, however, then you should in no way help them kill themselves. I mean would you support someone talking somebody else into suicide? "You know what? You should kill yourself."

But you see, our lives are not obligations. We are not here for anybody else, we are here for ourselves, and as such, we have the right to take ourselves out of life if so we wish. Assisted suicide is for people too old, sick, infirm, handicapped, unknowledgable, whatever, to be able to do the job themselves. This should be legalized, but closely monitored, so that things like "talking people into suicide" will not occur.

I in no way approve of suicide. But it's ridiculous to say that we can't do it, if we so wish. It's stupid, it's selfish, it's horrible, but it's a choice we all should be allowed to make for ourselves.

as for assisted suicide i agree with it totally in lots of cases. Awhile a ago there was a woman with severe severe handicaps and a degenerating muscle disease, she would not live more then 5 years longer, she could barely talk and could no longer move, she struggled to breathe everyday, and doctors predicted in the next few years her throat muscles would give out and she would be suffacted by her own throat, that is if her heart didn't go first. She was fight for the right to be put out of her pain peasfully by lethal injection. The government refused her the right, so now she's lies in pain which gets worse each day, untill she will no longer be able to speak, then she can look foreward to suffacting to death in the next few years.........sounds like it's fair to me eh guys? People with medical conditions putting them in pain, or shortening there lives should havethe option to leave when they want with dignatity and peace. this is a true story by the way does anyone have a news article link?

like I said, I don't consider "pulling the plug" assisted suicide.

I'm with corey on this one. I mean he does like the Bea, how could he be wrong!

it wasn't really pulling the plug yet though, she still was alive and functioning, she just wanted the right to die on her own terms before it became painful

Clumsyboy wrote:it wasn't really pulling the plug yet though, she still was alive and functioning, she just wanted the right to die on her own terms before it became painful

Barely alive. They knew she wasn't going to live much longer. By definition, that is pulling the plug.

No, pulling the plug is when life support is the only thing keeping you alive, and it is removed.

I'm assuming this person was on some sort of life support, be it drugs or otherwise. It was never specified that she wasn't.