Joe Cool wrote:Just because people screw up and break the laws of traditional marriage doesnt mean we should erase marriage laws. We have murder laws but people still murder. Does that mean we get rid of them? No.
See, no one IS breaking marriage laws. It's totally legal to get a divorce, get a quickie marriage in Las Vegas, or have a childless marriage. These things are ALL legal already. How can you argue that allowing gays to marry will erode the sanctity of marriage? It's already legal to ignore it.
And if you want to bring stats into things, let it be known that on average a gay relationship lasts a total of 1.5 years. Gay men also have an average of 8 partners a year aside from their "commited" relationships.
I would like to see this journal, yes. However, even without seeing it, I'm calling it trash, on several points:
1. Since gays can't marry, what are these researchers calling a "relationship?" A date or two? A verbal commitment? Moving in? Sex? I know plenty of straight people who have short relationships.
2. It's called a "fraternity." Plenty of straight people sleep around.
3. Even if it turns out that these facts are conveying what you want them too, so what. Odds are that if YOU get married, it'll end in divorce. So why should we allow you to get married? You can't go around making decisions that affect the individual like this just because people in their peer group are assholes. You were (or are still) a teenager, how about we just assume that since a lot of teenagers are assholes, no teenager is allowed to own a car, or have a job, or leave the house without an adult. I mean, most teenagers are dicks, so it's totally okay to punish all of them for a lot of stuff they didn't do, right?
To me the definition of marriage is a bond between a man and a women.
I want to know how gay marriage will personally affect you. Real, concrete examples. No, "Well, I don't like it," or "it may, perhaps, lead to trouble down the road maybe." Actual examples of how it will negatively impact your life.
Research has shown that males and females have very distinct differences between each other that goes further than just body parts. Redefining marriage would essentially be saying that there is no difference between husband and wife, and husband and husband. I believe men and women are made for each other, and that the one sex is able to fill the emotional needs of the other. It also insures that every child has a mother and father. You can tell me that a lesbian women can raise a child just as well as a straight man and i'll gladly agree. However the most loving mother/mothers in the world cannot teach a boy how to be a man.
1. The difference between my mother and father is not the same as the differences between your mother and father is not the same as the differences between my best friend and his wife is not the same as the differences between George W and Laura. Straight relationships aren't defined in any way beyond what the people in the relationship want to define their own relationship as. If you honestly feel that you are able to tell other people how to define their relationships, then I'm going to have to ask you to provide detailed logs of any and all relationships you may have for my consideration.
2. Same thing applies to the "mother/son" arguement. How I act as a man is different than how my father acts, is different than how you act, is different than how The Pope acts. What a man is isn't something you can chart out. It differs between individuals.
3. It honestly doens't matter what you "believe." Belief is the dominion of religion, and it is Unconstitutional to legislate based on religion. Unless you can provide concrete facts that gay marriage will harm people, there is no Constitutional reason to not allow it. Under right of privacy and free speech, there are Constitutional reasons that we must allow it.
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