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Manitoba is NDP and i'm damn proud, i understand Conservitive ideas and agree they could work, i just don't believe in the morals, and traditions, i'm left wing and proabbly will always be left wing

so call me a communist or hippie or whatever else some of you would call me

I dont care about politics

you gotta get involved johnathan, cause when you don't vote in elections or bond issues, your actually voting yes. and when that happens your bound to "agree" with something you don't think is right.

hmmm maybe i should move to sweden...or Switzerland.......mmm maybe denmark too

think tropical dude, like virgin islands or something cool like that.

I suppose you're right dude. Just doesn't interest me a great deal

do.

not.

vote.

by not voting your not strengthening your anarchist ideas, all your doing is allowing HUGE mistakes like Bush to happen, look what happened in america, we all found out that everyones vote does count last american election, i can understand that you hate all organized governmet but at least vote for the lesser of evils

"There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root" - Thoreau

i strike the root. all governments are evil. there is no such thing as a legitimate government. by voting i am legitimitizing their regimes. i refuse to participate in such an activity.

bush, gore, gush, bore, they're all the same.

not to mention voting is a method of coercison, and i don't believe in the use of force to bind others to my will, ever.

would you prefer we had no govt?
cause thats what it sounds like

yes i would.

ya I'm sure that would work...

i'm sorry but the govt is not THAT bad. We need govt whether you believe it or not, or else we wouldn't have anything, no schools, no hospitals, no money, and the list can go on. We'd be ruled by a mob or it would be simply a matter of the fittest survive. Anarchy is by no means better than govt.
It's not like we live in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union where people were being killed by the govt.

please enlighten everyone (including me) on why we don't need govt and explain how we would be better off without.

J-Neli wrote:would you prefer we had no govt?
cause thats what it sounds like

Where have you been J-Neli? Doug and Chris have always shown their support of anarchy in these forums. They have made several points why they believe Anarchy would be better. Though I believe many of them are valid, I still don't agree to Anarchy as a solution.

There is one BIG hole. Money. Government is what gives money value. Without government, it is just paper. Nothing short of a barder system would be feasible in an anarchist community.

people are being killed by the government, first off.

everyone who died in 9/11 was killed by a government.

everybody who will die in the upcoming iraq war will be killed by the orders of government.

we would still have schools, hospitals, etc. anything the state can do, private enterprise can do better.

there's nothing wrong with survival of the fittest in my opinion, although i personally am of the belief that all men are capable of self-government. frankly, if you can't figure out how to surivive independently of me, then i believe that falls under the heading of "your problem."

if you need me to survive, and i die, how will you keep going? making people reliant on their peers weakens the society.

not to mention, all governments rule by force, and therefore are morally bankrupt.

corey you're right that the legal money system that we know today probably wouldn't exist.

any form of payment acceptable to both buyer and seller would be used. most anarchists, self included, would accept gold as the universal money unit.

I have a question for the Politwins. I still don't understand this not voting thing. Clearly not everyone in the world will agree with you on this issue, so if even if it comes down to three people who vote, they will still elect someone. Wouldn't that be a greater tyranny, to leave the choice to fewer and fewer people... all of which have beliefs that are successively more opposed to yours? I'm not against your principles, I am truly curious...

Politwins. heh.

in a perfect world, i'd like to see no elections. but i still view reducing the voter turnout to three people nationwide as an effective method of toppling our government.

if that many people had lost faith in demockracy, there would be nobody to enforce the government's laws. people would just disregard them all together.

demockracy's gain strength from the number of their supporters. if there were more dissenters then supporters, the demockracy would fall.

Doug Bin Laden wrote:corey you're right that the legal money system that we know today probably wouldn't exist.

any form of payment acceptable to both buyer and seller would be used. most anarchists, self included, would accept gold as the universal money unit.

Not everyone would have gold. There just isn't enough. Are you really going to use gold to buy groceries every week? How about paying credit card bills... send them a nugget in the mail? I don't think so.

Besides, what gives gold it's value?