Burn Burn: The Reviews

todddowney · Post by **todddowney** » 7/23/2009, 9:51 pm

Trustworthy wrote:this is the best album ever made EVER! All of your opinions are obviously wrong,

I am right , so whacha gonna do about it now? huh ? huh?

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 7/23/2009, 10:01 pm

todddowney wrote:
Trustworthy wrote:this is the best album ever made EVER! All of your opinions are obviously wrong,

I am right , so whacha gonna do about it now? huh ? huh?

As a long time fan with (when you are serious) some solid musical sensibilities, I'd really love to know where you stand on the issue pertaining to OLP's direction and the quality of their music.

In depth honest opinions too. Not the politically correct thing people say just to keep peace, lol.

LifeRiot · Post by **LifeRiot** » 7/23/2009, 11:32 pm

Tonight at the bar, I played "All For You" and my friend who didn't know I was there instantly knew I was there and found me. Then she said something where I had to defend.

"I don't want to offend you."

"Ok?"

"WHen did Our Lady Peace get all soft? I mean I heard that knew song on the radio, and it's completely not OLP that you jam out in your car all the time."

"Don't judge the CD by that song. It's the worst on the CD by far."

She then got in to my car when we left (yeah she let with me

) and I played Monkey Brains. All she said after that was if Bob Rock produced, where I immediately yelled out multiple No's and Hell no's.

Heavy Alibi · Post by **Heavy Alibi** » 7/23/2009, 11:37 pm

LifeRiot wrote:Tonight at the bar, I played "All For You" and my friend who didn't know I was there instantly knew I was there and found me. Then she said something where I had to defend.

"I don't want to offend you."

"Ok?"

"WHen did Our Lady Peace get all soft? I mean I heard that knew song on the radio, and it's completely not OLP that you jam out in your car all the time."

"Don't judge the CD by that song. It's the worst on the CD by far."

She then got in to my car when we left (yeah she let with me ) and I played Monkey Brains. All she said after that was if Bob Rock produced, where I immediately yelled out multiple No's and Hell no's.

I think there was an interview recently where Raine said Monkey Brains was "the best thing they've done, creatively, in probably 10 years". So I think he acknowledges that they've been lacking in that department recently. Maybe it's just harder for him to get into that creative mode these days. But that doesn't explain why they don't put out MB as a single.

LifeRiot · Post by **LifeRiot** » 7/23/2009, 11:40 pm

They need a hard song as a single. And since most of the CD is power ballads, it should have been lead single.

Codes · Post by **Codes** » 7/24/2009, 7:15 am

agreed it was a poor decision on their part

Trustworthy · Post by **Trustworthy** » 7/24/2009, 10:35 am

ok - time to chime in.

MB is a great song but that song would scare the hell outta some people on the radio.

don't get me wrong i would love to hear it pumping out over the airwaves one day - but AYD was a great way to lead his record off - people are still messaging me telling me how much they love it, and a bunch of people i know went and bought the record because of it - and these are people who maybe owned clumsy and nothing more....so in that sense it is doing its job perfectly....not to mention when they play it live - just take a look at he people in the crowd - they are all singing along to it - so once again it does its job and does it well.

as for the the change in the OLP sound - to be honest if every record was another naveed i would of stopped being a fan a long time ago - i am happy they have done so many different things - and watching /listening to them grow, revert, change, evolve has been a great journey for myself and I am sure a shitload of you fans as well - they have a collection of songs, themes, sounds etc - a catalog of work - which 98% of bands do not have....I think that is the goal for this band, to make music, all kinds of music, and be able to one day site back and know that they made the music they wanted to make (with some stuff exceptions obviously) , music that is theirs and music that is still relevant today - which i believe it is and will be for a long time.

I don't even have to mention the fact that people change, band members change, technology changes, producers change etc, it is impossible to recapture a certain record if the people working on it always change - changing a producer or even something is subtle as a guitar sponsor will change the bands sound...and over the last 17 years there has been A LOT of changes, both known and unknown to most - a lot of the reasoning behind the changes will never be known by anyone but the band - and that's the way it should be

there is a reason that reviews and opinions don't matter to the guys that much - they are doing what they love to do, and are most likely very proud of what they have accomplished - its not an easy thing to do - and i think they have done a pretty stellar job at it

oh and let's be honest it's a pretty sweet job - or better yet career to have

Trustworthy · Post by **Trustworthy** » 7/24/2009, 10:39 am

oh and just wanted to add, these guys are pros they have been doing olp for almost 20 years, and been writing playing etc for all of their lives - they know what they are doing - and the 5 million + records sold, the wonderful passionate fans they have gained and the fact they are still doing this for a living this long after their debut is a t testament to this fact.

basically im saying that no matter what anyone thinks they should of done, should do etc - it comes down to the fact that they are the ones making it, they are the ones doing it and they are the ones calling the shots, rightfully so.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 7/24/2009, 10:41 am

Hear, hear.

AnnieDreams · Post by **AnnieDreams** » 7/24/2009, 10:45 am

basically im saying that no matter what anyone thinks they should of done, should do etc - it comes down to the fact that they are the ones making it, they are the ones doing it and they are the ones calling the shots, rightfully so.

Well said!

Trustworthy · Post by **Trustworthy** » 7/24/2009, 10:46 am

oh, and another thing about burn burn....

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Rural Juror · Post by **Rural Juror** » 7/24/2009, 10:49 am

Couldn't have put it better myself. Well said Koolaid Guy, well said.

Tattooed Angels · Post by **Tattooed Angels** » 7/24/2009, 11:21 am

Random Name wrote:
Tattooed Angels wrote:Never question why someone loves or dislikes a piece of work

Wait, what?!
That's just a ridiculous statement. Just because people have subjective opinions doesn't mean there is still no objective quality. You're basically saying the entire discussion about the band is irrelevant because you're going to think differently anyway.

I get really irritated by people who view the world like a "unique little snowflake" and think that opinions are validated by the fact that it is an opinion. Anyone can say "yay" or "nay". Being able to question something, investigate its quality, and illustrate a position with factual evidence is what makes someones opinion on a piece of work more or less valid.

If someone says they don't like the album and lay down the evidence as to why it is poor in comparison, then yes their opinion is more valid than yours, if you said you like it "just because".

I said never question why someone likes of dislikes a piece of work. I see it, hear it all the time. Just because you do not like something does not mean you are right and therefore anyone who likes the cd is wrong. ON the same hand if you like it and someone doesn't it does not make you right either.

People always question why someone feels differently about something.. I am not saying you can not discuss why you feel the way you do,. I have seen people be insulting and downright mean to someone for liking or disliking something just because that person did not feel the same. I find nothing ridiculous about that statement..I never said my opinion is more valid then anyone else. nor that anyone else's opinion is not valid. Nobody on here is more validated then anyone else.. I only said just because you feel one way does not mean someone else won't feel the other way..

MindsOnLoan · Post by **MindsOnLoan** » 7/24/2009, 1:39 pm

Trustworthy wrote:MB is a great song but that song would scare the hell outta some people on the radio.

don't get me wrong i would love to hear it pumping out over the airwaves one day -

This is where I have to disagree. I've heard plenty of heavier and "stranger" things on the radio. If OLP just wants to continue feeding singles to pop stations, then you'd be right. If they want to target the rock audience for the first time in years, then this is their best bet.

Trustworthy · Post by **Trustworthy** » 7/24/2009, 1:53 pm

i fully agree...and you never know what the guys have in store

LifeRiot · Post by **LifeRiot** » 7/24/2009, 2:29 pm

Well, when I think of strange, I think first and foremost of Muse's 'Knights of Cydonia.' And what happened? The damn song became an international hit. Guitar Hero ate that song up. The music video was like a scifi extravaganza.

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 7/24/2009, 3:30 pm

Arcade Fire's "Power Out" is another example of a "strange" (see: awesome) song gaining mainstream success, although I'd wager "Power Out" was a much harder sell than "Knights" was.

Also, the music video for "Knights of Cydonia" is very "Dark Tower-esque."

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/24/2009, 4:30 pm

MindsOnLoan wrote:
Trustworthy wrote:MB is a great song but that song would scare the hell outta some people on the radio.

don't get me wrong i would love to hear it pumping out over the airwaves one day -

This is where I have to disagree. I've heard plenty of heavier and "stranger" things on the radio. If OLP just wants to continue feeding singles to pop stations, then you'd be right. If they want to target the rock audience for the first time in years, then this is their best bet.

It is probably the best song on the album. It has all the makings to be an amazing live song. It reminds me a lot of Naveed (the song, not the album). The songs are totally different yet they key in on a lot of the same elements.

SpiritualJunkie · Post by **SpiritualJunkie** » 7/24/2009, 5:34 pm

More reviews:

Consequences of Sound: http://consequenceofsound.net/2009/07/2 ... burn-burn/

I love how the writer is totally pimping Spiritual Machines. :lol:

Vue Weekly: http://www.vueweekly.com/article.php?id=12525 (A review from yours truly)

BlogCritics: http://blogcritics.org/music/article/mu ... eace-burn/ (This dude says that the album goes downhill after AYD and basically disses Happiness and SM...clearly, he's not a fan) :roll:

PopMatters: http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/108 ... burn-burn/

Eye Weekly: http://www.eyeweekly.com/music/ondisc/article/66784

AbsolutePunk: http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1207532

Codes · Post by **Codes** » 7/25/2009, 2:22 pm

If mb is apparently scary to have oN the radio then I'm afraid your targeting the wrong audience again. This song would easily get radio play on the good rock stations