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you are right, the new testament is also extremely violent, but the number of devout christians in the world has considerably decreased and it is common for people not to interpret the content as always appropriate in a modern society.

but in a mosque, you read the qu'ran word for word, no room for interpretation there. also, now it has come to the point that there are a considerable number of islamic terrorists considering this material as the absolute truth and that is why there is a thing such as terrorism today.

I know a simple solution!

Let's just kill all the Muslims!

That will solve all the world's problems!

Because clearly all Muslims are violent murderers/terrorists.

And clearly no non-Muslim person has ever done anything wrong!

It's perfect!

ok, i didn't even say kill all the muslims and i didn't even say all muslims are responsible, but all i am saying is that something needs to be done about the way religions are taught and practised in a modern society. or in other words, religions need to evolve and stop considering their religion as the correct one.

Okay, so your solution is to overturn a world-wide faith, because you feel their doctrine contains too much violence?

Why, then, are there peaceful Muslims?

You're still generalizing about a whole religion based on the actions of a small extremist group (small when compared to the size of the religion).

but these things happen because of the attitudes towards other religions. when islam was established, all other religions were 'abrogated' and all non-believers were condemned to hell. i am not saying christianity does not condemn people too, but why do non-believers have to be slain?

the reason why there are many peaceful muslims is because they don't follow the religion to such an extent where it contradicts with the laws of a modern society. but still there are people who are being taught these verses literally, hence creating the environment for terrorism to fluorish.

you can call the numbers of terrorists small compared to a religion, but when the number gets into the hundred thousands, i would call that quite large. the small extremist group is the most recent of many.

VazValium wrote:... but all i am saying is that something needs to be done about the way religions are taught and practised in a modern society. or in other words, religions need to evolve and stop considering their religion as the correct one.

How would you facilitate and enforce that? It would be a near impossible task.

you do realize that even if there were 100,000 islamic terrorists in the world that is still 0.0001% of the total population of islamic people in the world. I'm sure you'd find the same percentage of people who commit violent crimes in any religion.

xjsb125 wrote:
How would you facilitate and enforce that? It would be a near impossible task.

you are probably right. nothing can be done but to let those fools george dubbya and osama bin laden continue to fight each other.

i should seriously stop caring.

J-Neli wrote:you do realize that even if there were 100,000 islamic terrorists in the world that is still 0.0001% of the total population of islamic people in the world. I'm sure you'd find the same percentage of people who commit violent crimes in any religion.

Axtech wrote:Yeah. Never been a series of Crusades or anything like that.

Exactly. We so easily blame cultures far far away for violence and yet, what, 6-700 years ago on the word of the Pope, Christians massacred Muslims for the sake of the "Land of Milk and Honey".

No parralels there.

VazValium wrote:but all i am saying is that something needs to be done about the way religions are taught and practised in a modern society. or in other words, religions need to evolve and stop considering their religion as the correct one.

I do not see how you can use this as an argument against Islam, when EVERY religion preaches that it is the only correct one.

VazValium wrote:you are right, the new testament is also extremely violent, but the number of devout christians in the world has considerably decreased and it is common for people not to interpret the content as always appropriate in a modern society.

but in a mosque, you read the qu'ran word for word, no room for interpretation there. also, now it has come to the point that there are a considerable number of islamic terrorists considering this material as the absolute truth and that is why there is a thing such as terrorism today.

How in the hell do you mean there is no room for interpretation? Everyone will interpret something different. I'm not sure if you've realised but Osama doesn't exactly have the leisure of taking a little stroll out to the nearest mosque and having a discussion with the religious leader. He interpreted it to be violent. A lot of what is said is meant to be metaphorical.

My class once read a case study about a family that interpreted a passage about teaching children discipline. The parents intrepreted it to mean, they could beat their children with a stick. Which of course was not what it meant, but interpretations differ.

I'm not going to comment on the scripture of any religion because I have no place, but to compare anything modern day to an event that happened over 700 years ago is a bit drastic. Nobody here is justifying the Crusades.

Not at all. I was just pointing out that this isn't the first time people have killed in the name of their god.

Nor the last.

2 weeks to the day and we have more attacks.

My heart goes out to all the CMers in London... I'm left here wondering everyday now whether or not my sister will be OK in London.

NO need to fret over these last apparent explosions. Apparently they were mere party popper size compared to the ones which blew apart the PT system 2 weeks ago.

Sky TV, quoting a police source, said the explosions were detonators rather than bombs themselves.

One witness told Sky TV a passenger on a train near Warren Street underground station had told him there had been a small explosion in a passenger's rucksack.

``The rucksack was blown open by the force of a minor explosion,'' he said.

London's entire underground network was reported to be closed down and streets were cordoned off near the incidents.
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But a source at the underground transport company said one nail bomb exploded at Warren Street underground station. There were also unconfirmed reports of a shooting.

One witness said he was told by a fellow passenger that a small explosion blew apart a rucksack on one underground train

Well, listening to the radio tonight it seems that rather than just being detonators they were actual bombs that didn't go off. Sounds pretty poor bomb making to me that none should go off, plus the fact that they went off at lunchtime when it's not very busy, but we'll wait and see.

It's scary though - the school holidays have just started so there will be loads of kids and families around during the day - one of my very good friends it taking his family for a day out in London tomorrow (before going to Tel Aviv for a business meeting next week!!)

Another group of people I work with went into London for a meeting, but got to Euston Station and all the tubes were closed and it's pretty near Warren Street (basically to get into town you either have to go past Kings Cross or Tavistock Square or Warren Street!) so they couldn't walk, so they just got back on the same train they'd just got off and came back.

It's wierd though - the breakfast DJ and his news guy are on the radio because they can't get home and the person who was mean to be on can't get in. And it's basically they'll play a song and then there'll be adverts and then there'll be the news and then the cycle repeats every 10 or 15 minutes. there's nothing on the tv though - though the cricket's still on.

My brother's talking of walking the 8-10 miles to get home tonight if the tubes don't run again (his train goes through Warren Street, but wasn't the same line today's bomb was on).

It's like the IRA are here all over again - but they didn't do things so regularly and tended to change where they attacked.

When will it end?

never.