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[Brooklin Matt]

[NikitaTheIrishesqueSpy]

[NikitaTheIrishesqueSpy]

[Brooklin Matt]

[NikitaTheIrishesqueSpy]

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[Brooklin Matt]

[Corey]

[starvingeyes]

[mosaik]

Sigh. I had this entire post written out, and then I clicked on an email link and it was totally erased.

We are looking to define a universal morality, one that can objectively be applied to all persons if freedom and prosperity is the goal.

Morals, as we have determined previously, are the application of values in a given scenario. Most values are subjective. I will not be using any subjective value, only the idea that man is fundamentally a rational being.

A rational man values man's life and man's mind. All action he takes is done out in rational self-interest, in order to advance his life. A man who takes action against man's mind or life is not acting in a rational manner, and thusly, not acting as a man.

This is why the use of force is irrational. Force renders the mind uselss - a man working under the threat or direct application of force does not use his mind, and therefore, does not act as a man. Using force does not require thought either, and so the man who uses force to accomplish his goals does not act as man either. If one values man's mind, he will never take an action that renders it useless as long as he is acting in rational self interest.

The same idea applies to the value of man's life. You would not take an action to end mans life if you value it, for to do so would be irrational.

Any aggressive action that endangers these two values would be irrational, and therefore, immoral.

To quote the Boondock Saints:

"Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace."

Off topic: Man - that movie was so cool. I can't wait for the sequel.

[Corey]

[starvingeyes]

[Narbus]

[Narbus]

[starvingeyes]

[mosaik]

Narbus:

Again, i point out that you cannot be forced to be reasonable or listen to reason. if you do not agree with the idea of rational morality, i cannot make you.

nor do i want to make you agree with it. what i want from you is your admission that rational morality exists and is valid.

i have already explained to you twice why freedom is essential to man's life. i will not explain it again as it is clear that you are ignoring me.

Narbus, man is a rational being. that is object fact. in all men with working minds, the capacity to reason and act rationally exists.

[Narbus]

[Narbus]

[mosaik]

[starvingeyes]