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[Brooklin Matt]

[NikitaTheIrishesqueSpy]

[Narbus]

[starvingeyes]

[starvingeyes]

[mosaik]

So, Narbus, after reading your response to Nikita twice, i have to ask:

is it your position that an object [ie an apple] can be one thing and it's opposite at the same time? Is it your position that my skin can be both black and white at once? Is it your postition that objectivity is not real?

And furthermore, do you believe your position to be rational?

as Nikita said, we cannot technically prove that you are wrong, just the same as you cannot prove that you are right.

However, I would like to take this time to raise my personal issues with your philosophy.

By saying there is no morality, or rather, that it is different to different people, you are giving them a free pass to take whatever action they choose.

suppose a person suscribes to the moral code "baby killing". to him, strangling helpless babies is a way to practice his beliefs. He is also a realitivist, like you, so he believes he is right in taking this action. since there is no morality, who is to say he is wrong? nobody. because to him, his action is right, and as we all know, there is no such thing as objective reality, and everyone's beliefs and opinions must be respected, right? therefore he should be permitted to continue strangling babies until his heart is content.

now look at that same situation from my point of view.

a person has been strangling babies. when confronted about this heinous act, he has defended himself by saying he believes morality is realitive, and to him, babies are meant to be strangled. objectivley, we can see that this is not a rational choice and that his action violates the rights of the baby. therefore, the individual has commitied an evil act and must face the full concequences of his decision.

i do see things in terms of right and wrong, black and white. i do make blanket statements like "murder is wrong" because the moral value of an action is not created by the circumstances that surround or provoke that action.

my convictions do not depend on circumstance. for some reason, that comforts me.

this discussion is over. you cannot refute aristotle, and i cannot prove you wrong. you wish to deny existence, and i can't stop you.

[DamascusSteel]

[DamascusSteel]

[starvingeyes]

you completely ignored the bulk of my post to you. any reason?

you keep getting what people believe confused with what is. i for one, am tired of repeating myself.

[DamascusSteel]

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[starvingeyes]

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[mosaik]

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